[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[bersha-sensei]

I am still agree that they are advance job, does not sound like an FF title, and that was one of the mistakes they made to make the game. bad, to put adavance job is that if you put (CON) to BLM is going to have Cure and BUFF job is not their own. why is one of the reasons he had proposed in my link, also after sting that job advance, which will happen to your rank? going to have a level 50 RDM? I want to start a RDM 1, to enjoy from their low levels the highest mast, watch them grow's my favorite job, or will lose that rank 50 to have?

[MagicofGaia]

I don't think the current classes should be removed since there's already some lame lore attached to them, but I do think that they should only serve as BASE classes. No max level gladiators, only advanced classes.

That would be currently improbable given the game is launched and he has declared he will not remove people's current ranks. There are already rank 50 Glad's.

[Kurokikaze]

Not sure I'm understanding what you're saying; so correct me if I'm wrong.

If you switch from WHM to RDM on CON you would still be the same level under this proposal. But SE could always just make you level it from whatever level the quest is (in my case its 20). One or the other has to be done.

I went over that in my third post in the OP.

You would in a sense be "enjoying RDM from 1" because the Advanced Class starts wherever the initial quest does.

[Kurokikaze]

That would be currently improbable given the game is launched and he has declared he will not remove people's current ranks. There are already rank 50 Glad's.

If this change does happen then those 50 Gladiators would have all their talent points and will be able to play DRK or PLD by doing the quest.

[Turtle]

I really like the idea of the advancement for 2 reasons:
1. With the current system we have, it would fit in well. The system we have now gives players a chance to get a feel for the general side of the job. Meaning they can see what aspects they like of that jobs and make a more educated choice as appose to jumping right into a job they thought they might enjoy.

2. It's something different from FFXI. I really liked the job system on FFXI but I was looking forward to something different in FFXIV short of just graphics. At first I loved the current system, and in some ways I still do. But job uniqueness is a big issue and I hope SE puts more effort into fixing it in upcoming updates as apose to making mobs bigger :X.

This issue is in my top 5 of what I would like to see fixed, but i don't see it happening too soon considering its not something that will make or break the game in the first year like other defects the game has. Or maybe it is? I anticipate some really nice changes altogether though before the ps3 release. Thanks for posting, I enjoyed this thread. I'm also interested in hearing how you all think the advancement system will work in terms of permanent job advancements? or will it be interchangeable?

[Kurokikaze]

It will be interchangeable. You can swap advancements, as you put it, at any time just as you can swap classes. You will just need to redistribute points. SE just has to not put a penalty on switching like stats is now. I think to fully change your stats at 50 it takes like 7 hours... Thats completely absurd. If I wanna go from tank to damage dealer on the same class or different class I will do it when I please.

[Sterne]

Now, I'm at work so I don't really have time to give an in depth reply to this information, Kuroki, but I would like to applaud you for the effort you put into this.

This kind of well thought out and well written feedback is what the Dev's need.

Reading this, however, actually discouraged me to play the game simply based off the fact that to implement this (as awesome as it is) would require a LOT of work and would take a very long time to be completed. I don't know what S:E is planning at the end of the day, but if the "big changes" are supposed to be finished by early Spring, I have my doubts.

I wonder if we'll see something this solid in a game-plan.

[bersha-sensei]

At least I hope that if they put as Advance job, rank them from 1, and with different abilities. A clear example of what I expect from an advance job is to be pulled out as a Samurai in FFXI bags, with a quest, no matter how the previous job as sucrose, which is that it can do jobs (GLA , CON, etc) are as the introduction to the game, leaving rank fast upload (limit 50) and the classic and typically upload (limit 99, and if they want to break a scheme to leave the limit to 999 would be pretty crazy XD, feel there are no limits, but it is a dream to be 999 in a mmorpg, that does not exist any)

[Sylvari]

I think the OP idea is a great idea, but i think if SE were to do something like this they should really look it over and give it a FF feel... put their own spin on it... the only thing i don't like about this is the "Talent" idea... I like the post i saw on here about having Gla rank 30 and Thm rank 10 to unlock Drk... this is a great idea but i don't like the thought of having to put points in some tree to advance with you Paladin or Dark knight... the idea of having to redo my Paladin "spec" to change to my Dark knight is just not appealing.... all and all, i love the idea...

[Kurokikaze]

For that my reply is that whatever SE decide to name it or give it the FF spin; instead of calling it talents they could call it licenses on the License Board that Rhianu. But in the end it'll be the same concept.

As for redoing your spec to change to DRK... you're probably not accustomed to it but in other games they let you save specs. With 1 hot key you can swap over to a completely different spec with keys/abilities/traits mapped out and different equipment load out. 1 button will swap me from all out tank to all out damage dealer.

SE needs to get with the times.