[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Amsai]

Talent Tree with a FF spin all the way! Please not the FFT approach. Also definately need to keep the Talent skills/traits NOT cross-class assignable. The whole idea is unique builds that specialize. The Base classes wil work just fine for cross-class assignment of abilities.

[Anathiel]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, mainly because I feel the main classes as they are now are sorta weak. I don't want to be a gladiator with a paladin specialization, unless of course that changed my "class" and allowed me to equip paladin armor. really, the only way I can see something like this working with the armory system, is if you have enough points in a certain "tree" you could become that class and thus could use the specialization's armor/weapons.

[Kurokikaze]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, mainly because I feel the main classes as they are now are sorta weak. I don't want to be a gladiator with a paladin specialization, unless of course that changed my "class" and allowed me to equip paladin armor. really, the only way I can see something like this working with the armory system, is if you have enough points in a certain "tree" you could become that class and thus could use the specialization's armor/weapons.

I'm sorry if this comes off as mean but did you read the entire post? I'm going to go through each line of your post and give a reply to it.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, mainly because I feel the main classes as they are now are sorta weak.

We are in agreement that the current classes are weak. Thats why I proposed specs to lead classes down a path that will make them stronger and excel at certain tasks.

I don't want to be a gladiator with a paladin specialization, unless of course that changed my "class" and allowed me to equip paladin armor.

Again you did not read my post. The base classes will no have Artifact Armor. That is reserved for Advanced Classes / Specs; so yes you will be able to wear PLD only armor as PLD spec.

the only way I can see something like this working with the armory system, is if you have enough points in a certain "tree" you could become that class and thus could use the specialization's armor/weapons.

I clearly gave a valid example of how they could do that.

It's ok to disagree but please read and understand before you take a stance. What you just did is detrimental to the process.

[MagicofGaia]

I'm sorry if this comes off as mean but did you read the entire post? I'm going to go through each line of your post and give a reply to it.



We are in agreement that the current classes are weak. Thats why I proposed specs to lead classes down a path that will make them stronger and excel at certain tasks.



Again you did not read my post. The base classes will no have Artifact Armor. That is reserved for Advanced Classes / Specs; so yes you will be able to wear PLD only armor as PLD spec.



I clearly gave a valid example of how they could do that.

It's ok to disagree but please read and understand before you take a stance. What you just did is detrimental to the process.

this just has win written all over it

[Zezlar]

If this would cause limitations like a skill tree then I would have to strongly disagree. I HATE games that limit be to specific roles which is why I don't play many other MMORPGs that long.

[Kurokikaze]

Yes, I am putting restrictions because not only do they need to be made, they will be made. Theres no avoiding it. This mix matching is killing other classes.

[Raxiaz]

I am in full support of the implementation of this idea. I haven't read it fully yet, mainly because it's so in depth and quite sizable in length, so I don't know all the details. I would not want these trees to restrict what classes I like (like as a GLA, would I be able to progress and master both Paladin and Dark Knight?). The ability to level all jobs to cap was an aspect about FFXI that I loved, and one of the many that I'd like to see continued into this game.

Good job on the post explaining the system and going into it in detail.

[Kurokikaze]

In the post I said that you can reset your points and go down the other spec and play DRK (assuming you did it's quest). You will not be restricted to leveling classes in a certain specs. You can change at will.

[Amsai]

I do have a question. Would/should the talent trees be limited to specializing in only one base class or could you specialize in each base class?
Example: Spec GLD >>> PLD and also have THA >>> RDM
Though obviously the skills/traits for those advanced forms would only be utilized for that specific spec.

[Anathiel]

I did read your post, but maybe didn't clearly understand what you're trying to put out there. what I want, personally, is to do away with the current jobs. if they're not going to get rid of the current jobs, I don't want to be stuck with the current jobs and "specialize" in something else while still having to retain the fact I am one of the base jobs. I don't know, I guess I'm not really saying what I want to say very well. But, personally I believe in yoshi-p's first idea.