[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Amsai]

Agree to disagree I guess, Cairdeas??? All I know for sure is whether the dev team goes in a direction I like or not, I'd really like a clear indication and a general (even very very loose) schedule of whats (specifically) implemented when. Can we at least agree upon that? So far we know that they are going to make changes to certain things but not specifically what those changes will be. The sooner I know exactly what direction this game will take, the sooner I can rededicate myself too it or move on.

[Kurokikaze]

Yes, his analogy isn't valid because it worked for 1 person (you) out of the lot. PERFECT. I could say more but it might be a tad offensive so I'm gonna hold off now...

Can we just agree to disagree and you can stay in your other thread?

[Amsai]

To be blunt, Cairdeas, your life experiences are the excpetion and not the rule. I've said it before, but people are dumb. I like Kuro's idea in general, but aside from being a bit more pleasing to my sense of order, it also has the ability to heard the filthy masses. You might do well with a sandbox, but its the last thing most people need, its too big for them. The less decisions they have to make, the less poor decisions will take over.

[Cairdeas]

To be blunt, Cairdeas, your life experiences are the excpetion and not the rule. I've said it before, but people are dumb. I like Kuro's idea in general, but aside from being a bit more pleasing to my sense of order, it also has the ability to heard the filthy masses. You might do well with a sandbox, but its the last thing most people need, its too big for them. The less decisions they have to make, the less poor decisions will take over.

While I was Valedictorian of my class my experiences were far from exception. Everyone at that school did the same thing. I just did it best.

[Kurokikaze]

Yes. I'm sure everyone got a 4.0 - 4.3. You've lost all credibility... just go back to your thread. lol

[Cairdeas]

Yes. I'm sure everyone got a 4.0 - 4.3. You've lost all credibility... just go back to your thread. lol

Not a 4.0 no, but they graduated earlier then public school lads and lasses.

[darkstarpoet1]

no what you guys are doing is not equal to teachings in school. don't kid yourselves. what you are proposing is in school only teach math and make math the norm, but forget all the different subjects. some of us like all the other subjects and use then to make an overall education. since you guys wanted to use an analogy i figured i'd add to it.

[javid]

We're losing focus on the thread. let's add to the ideas for the bettering of the game instead of personal egos... So anyone prefer classes be reduce completely to weapon specialist with a few weapon abilities? Again I still down for having classes at certain rank requirments/trait requirements to unlock titles (jobs). I remember someone being upset if the class was only ranked for a certain unlock. But that happens in games. In FFXI lots of ppl unlocked ninja and lvled it to 37 just to get 3 shadows as a sub. Freedom isn't a bad thing when augmented with incentive driven guidelines. In FFXI a 75 dnc/nin could main heal! Wasn't necessarily the BEST but was better than a smn/whm blm/whm or a brd/whm.

[darkstarpoet1]

agreed we need to stop the fighting. i still feel when they install the new classes they should be advanced classes and just leave the base classes the way they are. once the advanced classes are issued they will have the class specific abilities that the other classes cannot use. have them be a you have to be a certain rank and complete a quest to unlock them. it is a step towards solving 3 issues. sure it will not solve the game, but just the first step in the right direction.

problem 1 it would add much needed content and something to strive for.

problem 2 it would give the ones that want designated roles to have their class that the base classes cannot use abilities from.

problem 3 it would stop both sides of the community from saying only the way one side wants to play is correct and everyone else is stupid for not agreeing.

[Kurokikaze]

Solves nothing as I have stated over and over.

I don't care what you THINK the current classes are (weapon specialists idgf)... If new classes are implemented then the classes we have now should be able to hold their ground against the new ones. Now you have to balance them against new content (new classes AND encounters) instead of evolving them into something better (specs/titles/idgf). The latter replaces and improves while the former adds shiny and hides stuff that doesn't work.

I don't care that the literal translation of Gladiator is a sword specialist. I'm going based off what they are now and what they have been called from their inception - "Classes".

I have not heard a single concrete answer on what happens to any of us that have leveled one of the current classes to 50. Are you trying to tell me that all that progress/grinding was for a few abilities and that I should go level one of the new classes to perform?

I had to bold it just so you don't have an excuse to miss it. It's a very important matter that I feel a lot of you are overlooking when you make these posts/suggestions.

Edit: As I said about the NIN comment... NIN was/is a great standalone class/job. The same cannot be said about LNC. It is currently just a class you level to 20.