[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[javid]

I like titles and additional weapon specialist. Like a class that combines traditional brd and bst using instruments mastery. This class would be limited to using pets to attack by way of song but could also use songs to debuff mob. But! When pet is not summoned this class can focus on party buffs. So the class could only attack and debuff when pet was summon or the class can buff party when pet is away. This would keep the class from being over powered or left to its lonesome like bst were in ffxi.

[snowstriker]

Kuro, just wanted to say I appreciate the time you took for posting this and I agree with it, not sure who could disagree.

[Kimahri]

I love posts such as these that really focus on the main issues troubling FFXIV. I'm just so sad that these issues aren't the most directly related topics to talk about. This forum has become a comedy strip of laugh out loud topics such as surname removal, jump, aggro icon, etc, that it really has stopped becoming funny. It's rather stupid how people think removing the surname can in anyway attract people into a game that is currently bland and tasteless.

Keep up the good work, and sorry to rant. Just this stuff has gotten out of hand way too much.

[Ouka_Ranbu]

Great presentation but I don't like talent tree.
Current classes need fixing but it doesn't mean that SE has to use talent tree.
They could always add skill/weapon affinity to fix some problem.
I.E Victimize II for PUG can be used by any class and it does most damage if you have seasoned veteran and use it as an archer (yes it's ridiculous how much damage it does as archer --

But SE can easily fix this by adding HTH damage bonus and increase/decrease affinity bonus/penalty.

Instead of having advanced class it might be better to just mix/match skill to fit into class role, while adding something like Title bonus

I.E by doing class quest you can earn titles such as "PLD" or "DRK" and putting on "PLD" title would give you HP/Mana/DEF bonus and ATK penalty as well as weapon and weapon skill Bonus/penalty (somewhat like FFXI did)

[Kurai]

Someone give Kurokikaze a cookie. great post, I like your idea, I wanna be PLD to

[darkstarpoet1]

i can agree with this. i love being able to mix and match my abilities from the base classes, but am not against having "advanced classes" with abilities the base classes can't use. would the advanced classes be able to use the abilities from the base classes? if so i am all for that, but i like the being able to use the base abilities when going out to solo/grind. then you would have your special class that is specialized, but not in a restricting kind of way which is the thing i hate is feeling restricted.

[Kurokikaze]

- Base classes have their own set of abilities/traits/skills/spells which are generic. These can be used cross class and spec.
- Specs have their own set of abilities/traits/skills/spells which can only be used by that spec.
- You are free to change specs whenever. Points need to be redistributed unless SE adds templates.
- You are free to change classes whenever by switching to different weapon. (I would never change this. This is what defines an FF MMO.)

Point of keeping some abilities/traits as spec only is to promote uniqueness and move away from this insanely broken system where everyone is everything.

Purpose of specs themselves is to introduce FF classes, which they intend to do, while giving the current classes a purpose - evolving into the FF classes. If they just add new classes - that won't fix anything, just add to more shit that needs to get balanced. Talent Trees themselves don't have to be used (even though it is), but its nice to have a GUI to play with when allotting points and mouse over description of what skills/abilities/spells/traits do before you spend points on them.

Just thought I'd clarify that for the lot of you. Anyways back to BG and work I go.

[darkstarpoet1]

with the clarification i am in true agreement. no reason a base class should be able to use an skill from an advanced class to me. granted i personally wouldn't mind, but that would be a concession everyone should be able to agree on and move forward with another issue to tackle.

[OmegaNovaios]

Very good point. This is like being aboe to go RDM/SCH with tier 5 or 6 nukes and with tier 5 or 6 cures or RDM/BLU with provoke and sentinel.

[Synapse]

i like these interesting ideas alot and i hope something similer gets implemented. As long as it stays in the FF path and not the typical MMO out there with 1,000 skills covering ur screen, thn i have no problem with it.