Please be considerate to newer players!

[RaquelleAvarosa]

I was running Tam-Tara Deepcroft(Hard) as White Mage the other day on DF and got a newbie i90 Paladin as Tank. DPS were i110 Black Mage and i110 Monk.

Hell broke loose....

Black Mage was blasting Flares and Fire IIs without letting the Tank grab aggro properly.
Monk went all out on cooldowns on the Boss and thus grabbing aggro. Did not stop even when the Tank is trying to grab the aggro back.
I had to heal them since their HP was dropping constantly so I ended up grabbing a lot of aggro as well.
I did use Shroud of Saints but did not help much since it's happening with every bunch of mobs and Shroud sits on a 2mins cooldown.

In short, everyone else was tanking mobs except for the Paladin.

Ultimately we cleared the dungeon, but that poor tank was having such a difficult time.

Please be considerate to newer players! Just because you have superior gear doesn't mean you can "bully" newer players and give them such a hard time.


Note: I did ask the Tank if he was new to tanking and he said yes. Black Mage and Monk were fully aware of this fact as well.

[NyarukoW]

That is so true.

But don't tell the speed runners. They will hate you and me and everyone else that tells them to slow down. I've seen these crazy fools vote kick a healer because, after the firs boss on SV HM, the healer was telling them to slow and needed some time to recharge MP, but they went ahead aggroed the mobs and wiped the party.

To all tanks, if the over-geared fools are grabbing aggro, they own the mob they got. No amount of flashing provoke will get them back, it will be like whack a mole. Get one back only to lose another. And don't bother numbering the mobs either, these mega-AOE numbskulls will blast everything and get aggro. If they start cussing at you, just report them to the GM for verbal abuse.

BLMs and BRDs learn to use your quelling strike please. Gee whiz.

[arctic]

That is so true.

But don't tell the speed runners. They will hate you and me and everyone else that tells them to slow down.

[Coldheart]

That is so true.

But don't tell the speed runners. They will hate you and me and everyone else that tells them to slow down. I've seen these crazy fools vote kick a healer because, after the firs boss on SV HM, the healer was telling them to slow and needed some time to recharge MP, but they went ahead aggroed the mobs and wiped the party.

I play HM dungeons as healer (WHM) e sometimes I have problems to heal runners (once the tank was wearing DPS gear). I try to do my best, but I don't feel guilt if a runner dies because he/she did a huge pull and died before I could heal.

[myahele]

It's probably worse now that light farming is a thing

[NyarukoW]

It's probably worse now that light farming is a thing

And you know what these people on farm status want? They want a "no newbies allowed" checkbox. They say, if you never cleared it before, then they don't want you there to slow them down. I don't know how people can think they are so special, that they are allowed to treat newer players with contempt like that.

[Cynfael]

And you know what these people on farm status want? They want a "no newbies allowed" checkbox. They say, if you never cleared it before, then they don't want you there to slow them down. I don't know how people can think they are so special, that they are allowed to treat newer players with contempt like that.

Please leave this nonsense in that other thread. No one is trying to "farm" content like Tam Tara HM, nor are there any exacting mechanics that wipe the party back to the beginning of the entire duty.

[NyarukoW]

... No one is trying to "farm" content like Tam Tara HM, nor are there any exacting mechanics that wipe the party back to the beginning of the entire duty.

People want to farm tam-tara just as well as anything else. The farmers just want to speed run and don't want to deal with the newer people. If you want to farm, form your own farming static and stop abusing the newer players. You are not entitled to having the system find you a fast clear/farm party whenever you want. People are NOT there for you take for granted and expected to show up at your beck and call. People with attitudes like that, will abuse the DF and PF, and run over, and thru the newer players, or complain about them slowing down or wiping the run.

The topic of this thread is misleading, when someone says new player I picture the person running around with a green leaf on them....

There is nothing misleading. The green leaf could be someone's alt or smurf for all that matters. People need the opportunity for more practice is all. People can be more considerate whether there is a green sprout or not.

.. I sure wouldn't start on hard mode dungeons to learn how to play it.

Tam-tara HM probably wasn't the tank's first dungeon either, but they will have to try it at some point, and may have already don tam-tara a couple times. But it take time to practice and get used to things and then improve from there.

[Eye_Gore]

If your going to try leaning a new class and run with the big dogs by playing hard mode dungeons, expect some backlash. I know I would.

[AdamFyi]

Hell broke loose....

Similar thing happened yesterday. Was watching my cousin play as a tank (he was new to tanking) and the dps were pulling hate like no tomorrow. I felt bad for him, so I gave him some pointers (Overpower, positioning, etc.). Luckily the other members were patient with him.

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Leave that sorry excuse of a discussion for the other topic. Please respect other people's topics by NOT going off-topic. Thank you.

This should not be the default, nor should this be the reasonable expectation. People should be more consider of the newer players, and beside who is so special to the "big dogs"? What did they do that allows them to treat other badly?

If you are learning the ropes to a new class, expect criticism and learn to adapt. This is more noticable for healers and tanks that are starting off. It takes practice, and eventually they'll get there. The 'backlash' mentioned probably also meant that mistakes may happen when learning, not the fact that people complain.