about egi's models

[Dwill]

On a side note I respect your opinion Dwill even if it seems to not be the same of some people in this thread (myself included) but yeah... you seems to get pleasure at trolling people who want to see SMN getting revamps/improvements either on the dot side or/and the egis-look side...

It has nothing to do with trolling. That word has become so horribly misused that it seems everyone has forgotten its meaning. I'm just stating my point of view and said point of view seems to anger people because it disagrees with theirs. That's not trolling.

Everyone wants their opinion to be substantiated, but unless you actually do a player-wide poll, either side guessing at statistics is silly. Since not complaining out loud =/= Happy with the design.
Being shouted down as a 'vocal minority' is so dumb regardless of the topic for this reason.

In a MMO, something that is terribly broken (Warrior on release) or hated to a degree big enough (Atmas) will create waves of complaints. The amount of complaints if something really was broken with summoner would be much worse than they are now. So yes, it is a vocal minority, whether you like it or not.

I don't understand this. Why is telling people that unfeasible changes that could cause more people to be angered than pleased..trolling? I believe that Dwill and I have nothing against QoL changes to any class that doesn't require tripling the work devs already have. Put forth a good idea and you'll find even people like us to agree (and in some cases disagree anyway). Put forth a stupid or wasteful idea and may your god have mercy on your soul.

Exactly. I disagree with some people, agree with some. If someone brings forth genuine, well thought ideas, I might agree with them, even if they warrant a change in playstyle for the class. I will actually respect people with a different opinion (if it looks like they have a clue) than mine. A lot of people should take a page out of Spellbinder's book. While we don't agree on all the same thing for summoner, he at least brings forth his arguments to back up his claims and I respect the guy for it.

Since when replacing a model and its textures is unfeasible and even hard by a dev to a game? It can be done to the customer client by an amateur! And how would it broke the game at a point that people would flame the forum because egis would actually look better? (please don't argue about garuda-egi style, this poor thing look so wrong).
On a side note : Who re you to actually tell people that their ideas re wrongs /unfeasibles or will lead to angers, since neither you nor me have a clue of what will really happen... It's all up to the dev team, all we can do as players is to give "ideas" right here.


Right, would you agree to make garuda-egi actually looking like more garuda or at least being relevant to the main model? And not like a glowing green vulture!
Also, please don't use the "onoes, poor devs got already so many works to do /sadface, let's not make them focus on useless changes /emo-eyes" If they can spare development times for new mounts and fluffy minions design every d*mn patches... They totally can revamp 3 existing models to something better with littles efforts.

It's not a matter of hard, long or costly. Changing something that is aesthetic can be a dangerous thing to do since it can create just as more harm than it would try to solve. Yes there are people who despises the Egis. But there are also people who likes them. Everything here is in the eye of the beholder. Changing something like in game model of summons isn't trivial. You'd need to redesign the whole models, more than likely change their animations. To know what to change them to you have to have meeting with your art team to get their insight, with your regional teams to get the feedback they have in various region, with your lore team to make sure what the other two team have can be implemented with breaking the lore. Once all of this is done, you have to coordinate with your project manager to assign people to the project, assign an time table to said team. Before all of this can begin, Yoshida would have to give his okay for the project.

All of these things share one thing in common: time. With all the projects and ideas Square Enix have for this game, time is an extremely valuable resource. It's one they cannot afford on spending on something that might a specific subset of player happier. For all we know, they could make it even worse than it actually is. Square Enix doesn't want to cross that line, especially since it seems to be working just fine as it is now because let's be honest, it is impossible to please everyone no matter how awesome things might look or how a game might feel.

People have to see this from Square Enix's perspective. Not everything is as simple as it seems, especially in a business like a gaming company.

On my own point of view for the Egis' appearance, I think it would help tremendously if they could have HD textures. I think it would help alleviate a lot of the issue players have over their looks while using a resource that the rest of the game could use as well. The thing is that I think changing them is a waste of the developers' time when it could be used on much better things that affects the playerbase as a whole but in the end, if they do end up changing them, I won't even be mad over it.

"Unfeasible changes" is your opinion, don't forget that, you cannot decide what is wasteful either, you don't know what devs can or cannot do, you don't know how much work it would take to change this. I think it would be better to focus our agreement and disagreements on the change itself and let the real devs worry if it can or not be done.

Read the little wall-o-text above this quote.

And that reply was specifically for Dwill, not Dwill and you, Dwill has pretty obvious posting habits, it doesn't even require a deep analysis to his post history to see it.

Yes, I disagree with a lot of people. No it's not a secret. Yes people hate it. No I don't care because the people's approval is not what I'm looking for.