PLD theorycraft?

[Rbstr]

I crunched the numbers and found that stacking Parry is more useful for Paladin than it is for Warrior.

This makes no sense given that blocking happens before parrying. That reduces the value of a parry point considerably. (you've also done your math incorrectly unless you're using numbers other than the ones you posted).
If you have a 30% block rate and a 30% parry rate you're going to parry about 18% of the time (that is 30% of the unblocked 60%) for a total of a 48% chance to do some mitigation.

But 30% parry on a warrior means you're going to parry 30% of the time. So a point of parry on warrior is 1.7ish times as much mitigation as it is on a paladin with 30% block rate. Obviously this number changes with block rate, it it would always remain that parry does more for a warrior than a paladin.

[SirTaint]

Did you test DMG numbers on dummy after and before to see if it was worth it? because yesterday i swapped some gears around to see how much 31 DET boosts your AA and skill dmg and i was extremely dissapointed in results. With 31 DET my AA went up from 2 to 7 DMG max, sure it adds up in longrun but it still feels pretty damn meh. So CRIT might be best of all secondaries or all of them are equally bad.

I did not test it. Nothing to really test. Is it worth it to use Det IVs to cap? Depends on your goals but it is without a doubt the best secondary.

All secondary's are pretty Meh which is why STR accessories make such a huge difference.

This is PLDs current BiS setup for everything except Savage coil. I am still missing HA legs but have everything else.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/O09P

[Donjo]

This makes no sense given that blocking happens before parrying. That reduces the value of a parry point considerably. (you've also done your math incorrectly unless you're using numbers other than the ones you posted).
If you have a 30% block rate and a 30% parry rate you're going to parry about 18% of the time (that is 30% of the unblocked 60%) for a total of a 48% chance to do some mitigation.

But 30% parry on a warrior means you're going to parry 30% of the time. So a point of parry on warrior is 1.7ish times as much mitigation as it is on a paladin with 30% block rate. Obviously this number changes with block rate, it it would always remain that parry does more for a warrior than a paladin.

The numbers I used were for a standard Binomial Distribution. If you test something with a 30% chance of success twice, the probability of exactly one succeeding is about 41%. The only difference here is that the chance of 2 successes is always 0.

Also, you're looking at things wrong. If you concede that a Paladin who stacks Parry will top off at over a 40% chance to mitigate a given attack and a Warrior will top off at less than that, how can it possibly be conceived that Parry is benefiting the Paladin less than a Warrior? It's a matter of tiers. The question we are looking to answer is "If I stack Parry, how often will I mitigate an attack?" For a Warrior, each point of Parry is always worth the same amount to what I would call "passive mitigation". For a Paladin, each point is worth less than for a Warrior, but their base rate is so high that their maximum rate is higher as a result. Therefore, they always benefit from Parry in relation to their passive mitigation more than a Warrior who has an equal amount.

Remember, the closer you can get to a 50% mitigation rate, the less you can just pray for RNG. If we can ever hit the point where we're statistically more likely to mitigate an attack than not to, Parry will start to matter more. Stacking Parry gets Paladin closer to this threshold than Warrior by a longshot. That's why it's more useful.

[dramamine]

That is the worst logic...dps crits actually do more damage. Healing for more than is needed doesn't raise your tank's HP beyond its max.

And yes you do have to keep thinking about it as if a single parry/block matters, because that's how healers learn a fight and learn what big hits to prepare for.

(sorry about waiting so long to respond, internet issues... Comcast sucks)

I think you're still missing my point. You're arguing that parry/block isn't reliable enough for huge hits, which I'd agree with, that's a stupid reason to stack parry/block. I'm arguing that parry's utility is that it reduces the amount of damage you take over time, especially in cases where you're getting hit frequently by lots of attacks. Your HP ticking down slower means that heals that don't depend on Mind like regen/medica II (if they are cast before switching to cleric stance), a fairy, benediction, lustrate, stone skin, and so forth are made more effective, reducing how often a healer has to resort to mind-based heals.

As I and other people have pointed out, all of the secondary stats kind of suck in this game, and increasing your mitigation is generally only useful to a point that depends on the content you're doing and how well you and the rest of your party know their class/the content, so parry's usefulness has it's limits. I'm just trying to point out that it's not anywhere near as useless as some people make it out to be.

[SeraviEdalborez]

I think you're still missing my point. You're arguing that parry/block isn't reliable enough for huge hits, which I'd agree with, that's a stupid reason to stack parry/block. I'm arguing that parry's utility is that it reduces the amount of damage you take over time, especially in cases where you're getting hit frequently by lots of attacks. Your HP ticking down slower means that heals that don't depend on Mind like regen/medica II (if they are cast before switching to cleric stance), a fairy, benediction, lustrate, stone skin, and so forth are made more effective, reducing how often a healer has to resort to mind-based heals.

The damage you take over time doesn't really matter. It's handled by a "healer autoattack". Furthermore it pays to have a non-parry set in any case, since you can find yourself tanking mobs where parry quite literally does nothing (Leviathan head, Ramuh, T1+2 ADS) or when you are not tanking for extended periods of time.

[dramamine]

The damage you take over time doesn't really matter. It's handled by a "healer autoattack". Furthermore it pays to have a non-parry set in any case, since you can find yourself tanking mobs where parry quite literally does nothing (Leviathan head, Ramuh, T1+2 ADS) or when you are not tanking for extended periods of time.

Oh, I agree on your second point. I've got sets with STR jewelry and VIT jewelry, and if I ever collect enough alternate max-level gear to make it worth while to do a separate Parry/Vit and DPS/Vit set, I'll do that too.

But to respond to your first point, I was just trying to get across the fact that parry's the only secondary stat that you can stack to improve the reliability of the "healer autoattack", and people who say it's worthless seem to forget that.

[Lynneth]

I currently have 635 parry with food at i110 on my PLD. When I was doing my nexus light grind there were plenty of plds with det gear who couldnt take hate off me. So yeah, I dont think Det helps that much

[SirTaint]

I currently have 635 parry with food at i110 on my PLD. When I was doing my nexus light grind there were plenty of plds with det gear who couldnt take hate off me. So yeah, I dont think Det helps that much

And your parry is doing nothing. Typically Det geared tanks know what they are doing and weren't trying to pull hate

Det craps on parry. I had a 643 parry build on PLD. It's in the trash.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And your parry is doing nothing. Typically Det geared tanks know what they are doing and weren't trying to pull hate

Det craps on parry. I had a 643 parry build on PLD. It's in the trash.

No they dont, they stay in shield oath and spam hate combos till they realize they cant take hate, then give up. Mostly talking about PLDs here.
They fare no better because of that extra 31 det.

[Exstal]

No they dont, they stay in shield oath and spam hate combos till they realize they cant take hate, then give up. Mostly talking about PLDs here.
They fare no better because of that extra 31 det.

Could they just be bads?