PLD theorycraft?

[Rilla]

Howdy fellow tanks!

I've been building my paladin pretty much like this so far:
VIT>STR>ACC(till cap)>PARRY>DET>CRIT>SS

after searching for a while, I was able to find quite bit theorycrafting about war vs pld and alot of stuff about warriors, however I wasn't able to find what I was looking for.

I'd like to know if it's wise to go for parry as much as you can, or just get certain value? Any links for PLD theorycraft (2.38) would be much appriciated



-Rilla

[Cadwgan]

Cut parry out entirely, they total mitigation it offers is so pathetically low it's essentially worthless (that is until we can stack stupidly high numbers of it).

[Rbstr]

In terms of damage dealt and heals need the War and Paly are basically the same before you think about the other stuff. So much of the War gearing stuff applies to Paladins as well. Specifically that parry sucks so take det and crit where you can and that at some point more HP isn't worth much and more strength is worth quite a lot. Though the additional strength isn't quite as powerful on paly since they lack unchained and the damage-penalty ignoring inner beast.

I'd argue that palys get even less from parry than wars do since they can block.

[Judge_Xero]

When Melded i70 Accessories was a thing, it worked amazing on PLD.

Because you could also get a bunch of the DEX stat and DEX increases both Parry and Block, which Paladin has access to, VS just Parry on Warrior.

As far as theory crafting for PLD, where Warrior can use Ruby accessories melded with VIT, on PLD you would use Iolite (DEX) melded with VIT.

I'm really hoping we get an accessory set like the Gryphoskin/Rosegold i70 - which had two primary stats (Maybe i110 Crafted?) - because then you can have STR,DEX, and meld the VIT.

[Cadwgan]

As far as theory crafting for PLD, where Warrior can use Ruby accessories melded with VIT, on PLD you would use Iolite (DEX) melded with VIT.

I'm really hoping we get an accessory set like the Gryphoskin/Rosegold i70 - which had two primary stats (Maybe i110 Crafted?) - because then you can have STR,DEX, and meld the VIT.

No, you'd use ruby w/VIT still as PLD, no tank ever considered gryphonskin for the DEX on it, even when they melded it with parrying and accuracy.

[Rbstr]

Dex is sooooo bad. Worse increase in parry than parry points are.

But i90 crafted strength accessories are great. Get ruby and meld in vit, accuracy and det.
If you buy iolite you're dumb...there just isn't much else to say.

[Judge_Xero]

Dex is sooooo bad. Worse increase in parry than parry points are.

But i90 crafted strength accessories are great. Get ruby and meld in vit, accuracy and det.
If you buy iolite you're dumb...there just isn't much else to say.

I guess if you wanted to use DEX and didn't want the crit than the Topaz Rings with Parry would be a better choice.

Yeah, the Ruby accessories are great, as extra damage/enmity is always welcome even for PLD.

DEX for PLD is better than parry as you gain Block and Parry.

~0.066% per DEX into Block/Parry
~0.076% per Parry Stat into Parry

so about 4.5% extra block or parry. Also, block % is higher than parry % - and Block takes priority during frontal damage.

Not great but it's something. That's why I'm hoping we get new accessories with both stats, so you can have the extra damage, vit, and small % to Block/Parry.

[Rilla]

This is not what I had in mind. I'm looking for more solid evidence if parry isn't the way to go. I'd like you to back up your arguments with some parsers if possible. Also, why would parry be useless stat? It's migitation after all..

[dramamine]

This is not what I had in mind. I'm looking for more solid evidence if parry isn't the way to go. I'd like you to back up your arguments with some parsers if possible. Also, why would parry be useless stat? It's migitation after all..

I think people exaggerate how much of a DPS increase crit/det are versus how much of a mitigation increase Parry is. The only benefit to stacking crit/det is that you know they are always going to be useful since you're always going to be doing damage, while parry only protects you from physical attacks. It's still just a question of whether you'd rather add a percentage point or two to your DPS, or a percentage point or two to your physical mitigation per second. From a pure tanking perspective, parry's probably the best choice since it's the only secondary stat that increases mitigation, but sort of like accuracy has a cap, there's a point where extra mitigation doesn't really make a substantial difference. It's just that with accuracy, it's a hard cap, while with mitigation, it depends a lot on how well your party knows the content you're playing.

[Cadwgan]

This is not what I had in mind. I'm looking for more solid evidence if parry isn't the way to go. I'd like you to back up your arguments with some parsers if possible. Also, why would parry be useless stat? It's migitation after all..

Unfortunately all you'll really find on the subject is a debate, as others have said while parrying is a source of damage mitigation it only works on direct physical damage, it becomes completely useless vs mobs that do not have physical attacks (T2, ultima, avatar laser shower), and vs physical damage is unreliable at best. You will always be dealing damage while you will not always benefit from an increased parry rate, if it's a parry that stands between you and kissing the floor, you'll be looking at your healers, not the deities of RNG.