Because apparently, counting in increments of two is too damn hard...

[KaiKatzchen]

Yeah, but like I said in my first post that makes a big assumption about the experience level of the other 7 people in your party.

The way I look at it is this: He said they were saying it was a farming party, to me that implies experience. They know how to do the run, or want people who do, and people have win(s) under their belt. That they are good enough to farm the primal, or so they said, says a lot. As the GM's have said, it's fine to kick people for whatever reason, but they highly advise parties talk about whatever issues or strategies they want to use before starting.

As to what the OP said:

They never discussed it starting off. Never told people what role they would play, and never asked if there was anything specific that each person should be doing. Everyone learns the fight different ways, there may be groups that win with the tanks just swapping and someone else shouting out. Perhaps in another, the tank does call it out and the DPS just follow instruction without really ever learning and just waiting for the call. There is more than one way to do a fight, and if the whole team is not making sure everyone is on the same page, that's not one person's fault.

As for voice chat programs, while they are nice sometimes people can't use them. I know if my husband was asleep and I hopped in and started chatting away about some fight he'd probably ask me if I'd lost it. lol Though out of respect and to keep on the same page, the OP should have said something just to give a head's up like: Thanks for the offer but I won't be able to get on. Now that being said: OP could have said he couldn't get on or had got on and listened, but told them that he couldn't talk. Also, when you're in a party and someone says 'come on TS...whatever reason' that is usually a general to the whole party. It's not just about one person, and people shouldn't expect a special offer just for them. If they didn't specifically say XYZ get on TS, they were telling everyone they could.

There were two tanks, the party should have asked one of them to call out the orbs and they should have discussed who would be doing it. If you have two tanks, and neither are calling it out, then you can't just put all the blame on one person.

So tl;dr or whatever: It seems to me there was a general lack of experience, and lack of communication within the group on all sides of the coin. Because while OP did say XYZ did happen, and people didn't know what to do, he also never stated that he tried to communicate or help in any way and as OP admitted, all were wrong in this instance, even the OP.

But the issue is... with your OP post you seem to only be blaming them, (they can't count, they can't do their job, but it seems the OP didn't communicate in any way to improve the overall situation) but never said you're also at fault until many posts later. Over all it seems like that is the reason it failed and it's everyone's fault even the OP's.

Edit: Forgot to mention in general, I play PLD and BLM main, so I understand things as well from tank and dps point of view.

[Kaze3434]

OP, you suck.
So people did not ask you to make a macro or join their TS specifically and you're saying that you're not at fault? Hate to break it to you but this is a team fight and if you refuse to communicate in anyway possible, you are being a jackass. Given that they kicked you for the absurd reason of you not join get TS, both parties are equally at fault.

You, however, cannot justify the fact that you didn't do what was necessary and available simply because "you weren't asked to do so."

thing about Ts tho is that he did explain in the first post why he didnt get on automatically. (being 11pm with people sleeping). also, interestingly enough, one of the times i tanked the fight, i didnt have a macro, and a voip wasnt used, AND it was a farm party. orbs were still cleaned up.

[maxthunder1]

You really could have just made a macro like most tanks. It's really simple. Tanks have very little to do in that fight and you could've saved everyone a lot of trouble.

I disagree with your statement. You see you dont need a marco to do any of this, what you need is a party to pay attention to what is going on. If dps tanks or healers cant pay attention that is an issue that needs to be addressed and the only players who can address that issue are the one's who cant or refuse to pay attention. I understand it needs teamwork but again if some one isnt paying attention for whatever reason teamwork starts with everyone not just a tank or a healer or a dps. No one person should be responsible for everyone else because they CANT be bothered to pay attention. Yes a macro might have helped but we wasnt in that group so we cant say for sure it would have.

In my experience with other players during fights is those that are having issue's either dont know the fight or they know the fight and are watching T.V. or they are doing something other than paying attention to whats going on. Remeber every fight is scripted so there is no reason what so ever for things like this to happen. Team work needs to be from everyone and players need to be responsible enough to pay attention to whats going on around them, regardless who has the harder job or not.

[Myrhn]

I still don't understand why the tanks need to call out what the dps/healers have to do. I dont see any dps/healers telling or making a macro to tell the tank to start getting orbs and swamp. If your responsability to do it, don't wait for other people that have nothing to do with it to tell you what you have to do.

[Orlandeu]

thing about Ts tho is that he did explain in the first post why he didnt get on automatically. (being 11pm with people sleeping). also, interestingly enough, one of the times i tanked the fight, i didnt have a macro, and a voip wasnt used, AND it was a farm party. orbs were still cleaned up.

I understand the TS part. What irks me is this person expects the party to do everything for him because tanks don't normally do a lot of stuff in Ramuh. His response is just ridiculous, "they didn't ask me to make a macro, call out orbs, whatever."
You're lucky to have a good party but you gotta understand that not all parties can be as good as the other.

[maxthunder1]

I still don't understand why the tanks need to call out what the dps/healers have to do. I dont see any dps/healers telling or making a macro to tell the tank to start getting orbs and swamp. If your responsability to do it, don't wait for other people that have nothing to do with it to tell you what you have to do.

Well said!!!

[LunarEmerald]

Tanks do the least and have the easiest job in the fight. If a tank doesn't bother to communicate for when to do clean up then I'm gonna call them bad/lazy.

[Tiggy]

I still don't understand why the tanks need to call out what the dps/healers have to do. I dont see any dps/healers telling or making a macro to tell the tank to start getting orbs and swamp. If your responsability to do it, don't wait for other people that have nothing to do with it to tell you what you have to do.

because the tanks get first dibs on the orbs. Based on how the fighting is going if a dps thinks it's a cleanup phase when those orbs were actually needed they will wipe the raid. DPS/healers only pick them up IF the tanks have no need for them, and in the 3rd phase tethers have priority.

[maxthunder1]

I understand the TS part. What irks me is this person expects the party to do everything for him because tanks don't normally do a lot of stuff in Ramuh. His response is just ridiculous, "they didn't ask me to make a macro, call out orbs, whatever."
You're lucky to have a good party but you gotta understand that not all parties can be as good as the other.

Regardless of who has more or less of a responsiblity has nothing to do with it. Each player in what ever fight needs to be responsible for their job not some one else's job. Is it too much to ask that the dps or healers or tanks pay attention to what is going on? If they knew the fight they would not need to be told when to do something they should already know this and should act accordingly. Team work starts with you the player each and every player regardless of what job they are on regardless of who has what responsibilities. It sounds like everyone not just the OP wants to blame someone else.

[Fornix]

Tanks do the least and have the easiest job in the fight. If a tank doesn't bother to communicate for when to do clean up then I'm gonna call them bad/lazy.

Considering as to how you can get through the fight with minimal attention as DPS as well, give exactly one good reason why a DPS would require someone telling them when to eat balls asides from being bad or lazy?