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    Stances & swappable spells wouldn't work bc SE doesn't want ability-bloat (stances give access to all-in-one albeit limited to sets of spells) & they want rigid balance (they'd have to balance around every combination of spells if selecting from a list).

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Apparently, your definition for the word "Simple" is a whole lot different than mine...
    It's far more simple than all these elaborate spell-slot & augment ability suggestions.

    It uses the current system, it doesn't cause ability-bloat (which' SE's concern), nor does it require new tech be developed.

    It's literally just 2 or 3 jobs, it's like how thru created SCH/SMN..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    But it's not faithful to what a Blue Mage is truly supposed to be.
    LOL!!!

    Blue Mages are different in every FF, they learn spells from monsters.

    FFXIV can make BLU however they want, just because you're relegated to one role-specific set of monster-learned skills at a time doesn't make it not a BLU.

    Thanks for the good laugh, that was hilarious. Can't tell if you're kidding.
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    Last edited by Toodles; 10-09-2014 at 02:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    It's far more simple than all these elaborate spell-slot & augment ability suggestions.
    But it's not faithful to what a Blue Mage is truly supposed to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    But it's not faithful to what a Blue Mage is truly supposed to be.
    why not? we do job quests at 30+ to learn new abilities, i see a small trial against certain foes to learn the skills they have, fits in with what we currently have

    i.e. BLU (healer) 30 Angel Whisper, 35 White Wind.. and so on
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    I don't particularly like the idea of several soul crystals tbh. I think there are other ideas thrown around that would be better, but if its a choice between three soul crystals or no BLU, sure go for it.
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    I can see this system working but I would prefer it would be within one unit of a job, and like FFXI (oh no dirty words lol) make a special system for Blue Mage (slotting system).

    Like for Blue Mage I hope they don't get stuck in their class and job structure, trying to make everything fit when it could benefit greatly being 'different' (as much as I like keeping systems neat and tidy, I see SE's current system verging impossible for certain Jobs people want - without making special exceptions).

    Still, your system could work.. so no hate here - just my preference for the Blue Mage to be contained within one unit :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    You know thematically BLU's are meant to wear many hats b/c of their vast array of creature abilities (traditionally), right?

    Additionally, SE's concern with BLU is giving one Job too many actions... this' a fine solution.
    Well, let's see how NIN turns out...since NIN is supposed to "Not play like any of the other classes", "Not your typical job" and " NIN DOTs aren't like other DOTs."

    And with mudra....We can come to the conclusion that Ninja may possibly have more abilities than the other jobs have right now. So, let's see how that plays out...maybe that'll give a clearer image of how BLU could be.

    But, I don't think 3 soul crystals would ever be the route, nor do I think it should be. That would mean you can't switch between them during battle, so if you needed to cover for someone as a Healer coming from DD or Tank mode, you wouldn't be able to...which would defeat the purpose of a "hybrid class."
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    Why not jsut make BLU spells like PvP skills where you get a certain amount of points and you just pick which abilities you want? That way you can collect all the monsters skill, but still only able to use a limited amount at one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molic View Post
    Why not jsut make BLU spells like PvP skills where you get a certain amount of points and you just pick which abilities you want? That way you can collect all the monsters skill, but still only able to use a limited amount at one time.
    That's pretty much how Blue Mage was in FFXI, with spells having an associated cost. Also, job traits were created based on the combinations of equipped BLU spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    LOL!!!

    Blue Mages are different in every FF, they learn spells from monsters.

    FFXIV can make BLU however they want, just because you're relegated to one role-specific set of monster-learned skills at a time doesn't make it not a BLU.

    Thanks for the good laugh, that was hilarious. Can't tell if you're kidding.
    What a mature response. Your entire concept goes against the concept of Blue Mage. Blue Mage is supposed to be highly versatile and utilize abilities learned from enemies. To narrow your options down to three generic roles completely goes against the concept of Blue Mage.
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    Which would then go against the concept of ARR as a whole unless you implement mitigating circumstances to not allow them to do everything and anything at once
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