HA vs Nexus, some Nexuses have higher stats?

[Rex]

Not a new player, still appropriate place to ask I think?
I noticed for High Allagan gear that has Determination, the Nexus can get higher secondary stats: the High Allagan Spear has 32 Crit/32 Determination, but Nexus can go 46 Crit/32 Determination. Same with High Allagan Bow and High Allagan Shield, which lose out to an identically statted Nexus as the latter can go beyond what the High Allagan has.

Is there a reason the Nexus is blatantly better in those cases?

Is there a reason the Nexus can't be better? Is it not allowed? Because the message I'm getting is you don't think it should ever be.

[No2631]

Because the message I'm getting is you don't think it should ever be.

Nexus should be better if you pick the appropriate stats, but it should not have a stat advantage over High Allagan if the intent was that the Nexus is a separate line meant for players who aren't into Coil. I think both should have the same capacity, like if a High Allagan Spear has 32 Determination, it's appropriate it should have 46 Crit like the Nexus version can attain. Seniority has no real basis to state that one must be blatantly superior to the other only in specific instances: I think people are forgetting that the High Allagan Staff, for example, has identical stat heights to its Nexus variant (72 points total), but in the case of a High Allagan with Determination, the stat total goes up to 64, whereas a Nexus still acquires the normal 72 points.

Neither should be blatantly weaker or stronger than the other, but in specific instances the Nexus trumps the High Allagan, where this isn't the case everywhere. Those're discrepancies, and I'm curious whether these are by design, or whether they are an oversight.


To those who are arguing the time taken to acquire either:
Please do not derail the thread with something irrelevant. The fact is that in three specific instances, High Allagan gear has a smaller stat point total than a Nexus can acquire, and I'm curious why this is. It's OK if one is better than the other (and I'd argue Nexus is better regardless, due to stat flexibility), but there should not be a case where one is better simply due to a sheer advantage in capacity.

[Lollie]

To those who are arguing the time taken to acquire either:.

Here is your "non-derailed" argument: materia enhanced equipment has always had higher total stat capacity then equal ilvl non-materia gear. Nexus is indeed materia enhanced. the only thing new here is they can exceed what was considered the norm for single stat caps by a very marginal amount.

[Rex]

Nexus should be better if you pick the appropriate stats, but it should not have a stat advantage over High Allagan if the intent was that the Nexus is a separate line meant for players who aren't into Coil. I think both should have the same capacity, like if a High Allagan Spear has 32 Determination, it's appropriate it should have 46 Crit like the Nexus version can attain. Seniority has no real basis to state that one must be blatantly superior to the other only in specific instances: I think people are forgetting that the High Allagan Staff, for example, has identical stat heights to its Nexus variant (72 points total), but in the case of a High Allagan with Determination, the stat total goes up to 64, whereas a Nexus still acquires the normal 72 points.

Neither should be blatantly weaker or stronger than the other, but in specific instances the Nexus trumps the High Allagan, where this isn't the case everywhere. Those're discrepancies, and I'm curious whether these are by design, or whether they are an oversight.


To those who are arguing the time taken to acquire either:
Please do not derail the thread with something irrelevant. The fact is that in three specific instances, High Allagan gear has a smaller stat point total than a Nexus can acquire, and I'm curious why this is. It's OK if one is better than the other (and I'd argue Nexus is better regardless, due to stat flexibility), but there should not be a case where one is better simply due to a sheer advantage in capacity.

Okay, fair enough. I agree.

[Bixby]

Neither should be blatantly weaker or stronger than the other, but in specific instances the Nexus trumps the High Allagan, where this isn't the case everywhere. Those're discrepancies, and I'm curious whether these are by design, or whether they are an oversight.

I'd say it's probably somewhere in between, but leaning more toward oversight. My guess would be that they spent just enough time to make sure things aren't horribly off-balance between the two, and they're comfortable leaving it where it is for a few patches.

It's obviously not a huge priority for them to make sure Allagan/High Allagan/whatever top tier raid gear in general is absolutely, unquestionably the best, or BiS lists wouldn't include a mix of gear from other content.