Massive fail by Matsui - telling melee range to suck it up for not getting invites

[VydarrTyr]

Is already blind spots in Aoe's... and the ones that have a full aoe usually give you more than enough time to interrupt them quite easily (Ogre for example is laughably easy to interrupt) People just too duuuurrrr to move to side of mob or behind or use a ws's while the mob is charging up (Or heck if they get hit, use a second wind or a cure :P)^^ Positioning and timing is part of melee, it's not just hitting max dps! Glad they aren't giving into the people who just wanna stand still and mash dps buttons LoL

Simply put: Use your heads people lol it's not hard xD Sad thing is, this is one of the easier mmo's to evade mob specials/aoe's... Anyone who can't do such simple things shouldn't be in your pt in the first place!!! (Even as a derpa archer lol)

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

[whoopeeragon]

The only way archers would take forever to take something down in comparison to other classes would be if their damage is 75% of that of the other classes. If that happens SE might as well remove them from the game. They would be pure damage dealers that don't deal damage. They would have to pay for ammo, can't effectively wear heavy armor, have lower HP than the other classes, have no abilities that benefit the group, and lowest damage in the game. Who the hell would play them? It would be absurd.

You focus on the negatives of the ARC class just to bring the assumption down that they don't require further buffing. In fact, if anything, currently the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of the Archer class. And some of your 'disadvantages' just make no logical sense. Let's address some of your absurd points.

I suppose you'll love an archer fully clad in heavy armour from widow's peak to toenail, huh? Sure. Just tell me when you have the strength to raise your arms high enough to lift a decent sized and weighted bow and pull back the string with enough tension to let loose an arrow flying yards across to the enemy and puncture it. Or what happens if your bow gets snagged on the many parts of heavy armour and the string breaks. Or how long it'll take you to reach an arrow, or even your bow, with so many layers between you and the weapon.

Now, this may be a fantasy game, but really, there's only so far you can go before you turn to the ridiculous side of things. There's a reason Archers are clad in light armour to allow for smooth, unimpeded motion of drawing an arrow and providing enough tension to let loose an arrow that can effectively incapacitate an enemy. You remove that slight sense of realism, you remove effectively the dress and bearing that's expected and associated with the archer class.

Paying for ammo. You make it sound like a huge expense to be making, really. Does each arrow really cost you 999999999 gil each to buy? Yea, sure. That's one way the economy will probably stabilise itself, but that's not going to happen in Hydaelyn anytime soon. So you spend around 100 gil for each arrow. Or, if you have a kindhearted linkshell, you can even get them for free. Alternatively, you can also make your own. Oh my, you thought paying for them was the only option? Even if it was, the expense covered by them will not swing the archer class into the abyss at any depth.

Now that I'm done with your two more absurd observations, I shall move to my listing of the advantages of an archer.

1. They can stay out of range of AoE attacks while still attacking. This counts as the MAJOR advantage over the melee classes, in fact, so heavily I would count it as four cases of an advantage, one for each melee class that needs to be upfront taking AoE damage. Assuming that all melee classes have the same cooldown and damage for their standard attacks, archers will also have the advantage of not being interrupted, allowing for constant damage, whereas the other melee classes face the risk of their attack interrupted, blinded, slowed, or requiring to cure themselves while archers make target practice out of the enemy. Heck, you can pull in enemies easily as well without the added risk of close-combat damage.

2. To add further punch to the last advantage just above, archers have apparently the lowest cooldown out of the melees. Now, I haven't used archer at all, but seeing the posts on this forums, and the archer friends I have on game and by observation, I think that also increases the damage output they can pull out of their ars...I mean, quivers. Testimony aside, this already raises the archer class above the others just by the sheer amount of attacks they can deal, assuming they do equal amounts of damage, which they don't...

3. I would have thought slamming an axe into an enemy's brain and sloshing brains inside out will do far more damage than a single arrow embedding itself into an arm. Of course, this is a fantasy game, not to mention that a well-placed arrow at the head, heart or the groin can effectively bring a man down as beheading will do. But the odds of that is pretty hard, considering armour, movement, and man's natural instinct to cover their genitalia. Normal attacks considered, I would have thought letting the opponent eat a length of iron or skewering them for a BBQ will do more damage than a single arrow that most likely will buzz through a nerve. Not to mention that arrows also apparently deal piercing damage, placing them on level with lancers when it comes to hard-skinned monsters for maximum damage output. So, all in all, their damage done is quite the significant amount, isn't it? All while staying out of reach of the opponent, may I add.

4. Archers are lazy. Admit it; they choose a clean spot of ground, park their arse there, bring out their utensils for blood and gore, and start a pissing contest with the archer next to you on how much their enemy resembles a porcupine while your one looks like a sea urchin, all without having to move from their beloved spot. They also are incredibly selfish; when they decide that an enemy is getting too close to them, let out a bind and let another ally, preferably one close to the enemy, to get attacked. They can just stay safe in the backlines and discuss the merits of politicians with other archers while peppering their next victim full of holes. Hell, they even complain about their lack of higher HP when on the other side of the field, their allies are getting mauled and hacked, bleeding and streaming, while the archers suffer little more the sore fingers from the tension in the bow-string.

4 major advantages, and that's not including the ones I ninjaed in as part of the larger ones. Piercing damage, self-preservation techniques, not caring a damn about the other melee classes. So I assume that balances out the having to equip ridiculously light armour that gives no benefits over heavy armour save no metal clinking sounds, the heavily expensive and tiresome journey to acquire more arrows for your lonely quiver, the inappropriate timespans and effort used to heal yourself or refrain from drawing enmity on yourself if you are hurt, and that you serve no other purpose save deciding which victim you want to caress with pain next. My my, justice sure is blind, mute and deaf to make the archer class SUCH a pain and burden to bear.

Honestly, blind archer fans out there needlessly spreading noise pollution over the unjust nature of the new patch; quit yapping. Your class is absolutely dominating in the damage regard and its lack of damage that it takes, so saying that the melee classes, especially archers, don't require balancing is utter rubbish. We have more important matters to talk about then to address the wants of children who had their nose bloodied for the first time. I'm in full support of an even lower downage to the archer class; yap while you can, fans.

/rage

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As for melee range to suck it up, the patch 1.18a notes just blew Neptune's mis-translation out of the water. Neptune, I know you're hurt over the new patch, but you're close to hysterical; you're overthinking. Calm yourself; take a break if you need to, and come back to the game and forums with a fresh mind. It can be hard to adapt, and I don't blame you for that; we're only human. As far as I can see, Matsui never failed or told us to suck it up, no matter how you interpret it, or, importantly, the rest of the community views it.

So Neptune, go do some meditation, yoga, or something to relax yourself. Even R-rated stuff that help you unwind, do it. Then, when you feel fully refreshed, come back with an open mind. I liked the you that had new and good ideas for how the game should proceed, but recently, you've turned to grumbling. Please, Neptune, turn back. What's done is done; SE can reach a compromise, but if you continue acting as you are, most likely, they'll turn a blind eye. Perhaps sit back and make a list of new stuff you want this game to have, innovative things that can help foster better content or community appeal. You have it in you, I'm sure, and to spend all that potential on topics such as these is such a waste.

Take a break, from the forums and the game. You'll feel better for it, and return to us with a brighter attitude and mind to blow us out with your usual standard of topics and posts.

[Murugan]

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

I've done it I'm r50. What now? Any idiot can do it. Stop being lazy and blaming good encounter mechanics, and start coming up with solutions.

You know what's funny. The easiest way to do ogre is to actually encourage him to spam inferno drop (his big AOE), so if it's really so hard to interrupt then jesus some people must be gods at this game.

[Felis]

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

Make your homework better. He has a r50 pgl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLxsYEc8Fb8
And it's in his sig, too

You guys can kill the last endbos with every group. You only need archers for the fastest speedrun.

[Ryndael]

My life is a riddle to bear rapture and sorrow;
To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow...
In one fleeting moment for the land doth life flow,
Yet in one fleeting moment for the new leaf doth grow.
In the same fleeting moment thou must live, die and know...

Btw...

Thy life is a river to bear rapture and sorrow;
In one fleeting moment, from the land doth life flow,

[KitCat]

im sorry but it's the community's fault melee aren't invited. people are typically cowards and opportunists who'd rather take the easy road.

There are plenty of people who've beaten it without rangers.

[Arland]

Yes, the dungeon is beatable with any setup (except speedrun) but it is Matsuis fault for not adding some Range AOEs which can damage the range DD's, with this the odds would be fair again. In raids i play as archer, i wouldn't mind to have to look out for AOE's on my part ^^

[whoopeeragon]

Btw...

Thy life is a river to bear rapture and sorrow;
In one fleeting moment, from the land doth life flow,

Ah shit, massive fail by me. Thanks. -edits-

[VydarrTyr]

Make your homework better. He has a r50 pgl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLxsYEc8Fb8
And it's in his sig, too.

Except I wasn't responding to Murugan. I was responding to the person who said it's super easy to do, and anyone who can't do it must be an idiot, but who can't do it herself, and in fact has never even tried.

If you're going to suggest that I should do my homework, maybe you should at least read my post?

[VydarrTyr]

I've done it I'm r50. What now?

If you look back, I've acknowledged several times that it's not only possible, but several people have done it. My problem was with the other poster saying that any idiot could do it, without having ever done it herself.

I get so sick of the insulting tone of so many posts on these boards. People's immediate reflex seems to be to just to insult everyone else, without regard to what's appropriate or even true.

Stop being lazy and blaming good encounter mechanics, and start coming up with solutions.

Thanks. That's a great example of exactly what I'm talking about.

In fact, if you look at my prior posts, you'll see that I'm not being lazy, I'm not blaming good encounter mechanics, and I've tried coming up with solutions. You'll also see that I'm loving the dungeons, loving the game, and don't want the mechanics changed.

But hey, you might get socially ostracized if every post doesn't call someone else stupid or lazy. So by all means, carry on.