Massive fail by Matsui - telling melee range to suck it up for not getting invites

[Gath]

TL;DR
but, from what I have read elsewhere (I do not reveal my sources), Matsui is going to make it so there are blind spots in mobs AoE, so, this thread is definitely inventory space -1.

[Misha]

TL;DR
but, from what I have read elsewhere (I do not reveal my sources), Matsui is going to make it so there are blind spots in mobs AoE, so, this thread is definitely inventory space -1.

Is already blind spots in Aoe's... and the ones that have a full aoe usually give you more than enough time to interrupt them quite easily (Ogre for example is laughably easy to interrupt) People just too duuuurrrr to move to side of mob or behind or use a ws's while the mob is charging up (Or heck if they get hit, use a second wind or a cure :P)^^ Positioning and timing is part of melee, it's not just hitting max dps! Glad they aren't giving into the people who just wanna stand still and mash dps buttons LoL

Simply put: Use your heads people lol it's not hard xD Sad thing is, this is one of the easier mmo's to evade mob specials/aoe's... Anyone who can't do such simple things shouldn't be in your pt in the first place!!! (Even as a derpa archer lol)

[Sigmakan]

Is already blind spots in Aoe's... and the ones that have a full aoe usually give you more than enough time to interrupt them quite easily (Ogre for example is laughably easy to interrupt) People just too duuuurrrr to move to side of mob or behind or use a ws's while the mob is charging up (Or heck if they get hit, use a second wind or a cure :P)^^ Positioning and timing is part of melee, it's not just hitting max dps! Glad they aren't giving into the people who just wanna stand still and mash dps buttons LoL

Simply put: Use your heads people lol it's not hard xD Sad thing is, this is one of the easier mmo's to evade mob specials/aoe's... Anyone who can't do such simple things shouldn't be in your pt in the first place!!! (Even as a derpa archer lol)

Thing is, the WS-stun thing isnt 100% (better if you're using shield bash or leg sweep, obviously) If it was then maybe this argument would be more valid. And when this WS hits during his rage phase it easily does over 1500 dmg. Seems like a pretty good incentive to have ARC dps instead of melees.

[VydarrTyr]

Is already blind spots in Aoe's... and the ones that have a full aoe usually give you more than enough time to interrupt them quite easily (Ogre for example is laughably easy to interrupt) People just too duuuurrrr to move to side of mob or behind or use a ws's while the mob is charging up (Or heck if they get hit, use a second wind or a cure :P)^^ Positioning and timing is part of melee, it's not just hitting max dps! Glad they aren't giving into the people who just wanna stand still and mash dps buttons LoL

Simply put: Use your heads people lol it's not hard xD Sad thing is, this is one of the easier mmo's to evade mob specials/aoe's... Anyone who can't do such simple things shouldn't be in your pt in the first place!!! (Even as a derpa archer lol)

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

[Murugan]

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

I've done it I'm r50. What now? Any idiot can do it. Stop being lazy and blaming good encounter mechanics, and start coming up with solutions.

You know what's funny. The easiest way to do ogre is to actually encourage him to spam inferno drop (his big AOE), so if it's really so hard to interrupt then jesus some people must be gods at this game.

[VydarrTyr]

I've done it I'm r50. What now?

If you look back, I've acknowledged several times that it's not only possible, but several people have done it. My problem was with the other poster saying that any idiot could do it, without having ever done it herself.

I get so sick of the insulting tone of so many posts on these boards. People's immediate reflex seems to be to just to insult everyone else, without regard to what's appropriate or even true.

Stop being lazy and blaming good encounter mechanics, and start coming up with solutions.

Thanks. That's a great example of exactly what I'm talking about.

In fact, if you look at my prior posts, you'll see that I'm not being lazy, I'm not blaming good encounter mechanics, and I've tried coming up with solutions. You'll also see that I'm loving the dungeons, loving the game, and don't want the mechanics changed.

But hey, you might get socially ostracized if every post doesn't call someone else stupid or lazy. So by all means, carry on.

[Murugan]

If you look back, I've acknowledged several times that it's not only possible, but several people have done it. My problem was with the other poster saying that any idiot could do it, without having ever done it herself.

I get so sick of the insulting tone of so many posts on these boards. People's immediate reflex seems to be to just to insult everyone else, without regard to what's appropriate or even true.

Thanks. That's a great example of exactly what I'm talking about.

In fact, if you look at my prior posts, you'll see that I'm not being lazy, I'm not blaming good encounter mechanics, and I've tried coming up with solutions. You'll also see that I'm loving the dungeons, loving the game, and don't want the mechanics changed.

But hey, you might get socially ostracized if every post doesn't call someone else stupid or lazy. So by all means, carry on.

You don't find it ironic that this is the post I was responding to, on this page.

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

Why don't you take your own advice, and maybe people won't take offense to your posts (which apparently are not meant to be derisive in some kind of broad context taking into account your entire post history). For the record it was the "durrrrrr" that set me off, why would you ever say that to another person? Why would you say or type that period, it's cringe worthy.

Also Felis wasn't referring to me but the person you had quoted. They are right "any idiot can do it", it's not that hard and its better to tell people that than propagate the notion that the dungeon promotes class imbalance due to the existence of an AOE (a standard encounter mechanic).

[VydarrTyr]

For the record it was the "durrrrrr" that set me off, why would you ever say that to another person? Why would you say or type that period, it's cringe worthy.

If you read the quote to which I was responding, you'll see where I got it. I put it in my message for the same reason.

The person to whom I was responding used "durrrrrr" to describe melee players who are having trouble with avoiding AoE. I put it into my response because I thought it was incredibly annoying, and if Misha used it to describe melee players who can't beat the Ogre, then it applies to her as well.

Also Felis wasn't referring to me but the person you had quoted.

Then Felis was wrong. Here's the Lodestone page for the person I quoted. Her Pug isn't 50. It's 26.

Felis was referring to you. You've got r50 Pug, and Misha doesn't. It's in your sig, and not Misha's. The only reasonable explanation is that Felis thought I was responding to you, simply because you were responding to me.

Why don't you take your own advice, and maybe people won't take offense to your posts (which apparently are not meant to be derisive in some kind of broad context taking into account your entire post history).

To whom was my post insulting? Only to people who say that anyone who can't do something is an idiot, and yet aren't capable of doing it themselves.

If you took offense to it, then your offense came from misreading my post. My post said nothing about battle mechanics or AoE. It said nothing about whether it can be done. It said nothing about whether you can do it. It just said that her post is insulting, and she's basically insulting herself.

I'm not asking you to read everything I've ever posted. I'm just suggesting that you should respond to what I've actually said. And maybe tone down the "lazy and stupid" insults.

They are right "any idiot can do it", it's not that hard and its better to tell people that than propagate the notion that the dungeon promotes class imbalance due to the existence of an AOE (a standard encounter mechanic).

**EDIT ** I may have misread your post with my initial response. If you're saying you need to speak up so that people don't think the mechanics are imbalanced, then fine. But that's got nothing to do with what I actually said. So calling me lazy doesn't achieve your goal of fighting the idea of class imbalance.

[Felis]

And you know any idiot can do it from experience? I mean, you've done it, and it's easy, right?

No, wait. Your highest melee class is r39. So you're just trying to be insulting. Ok then.

"duuuurrrr" seems like the right thing to say here.

Make your homework better. He has a r50 pgl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLxsYEc8Fb8
And it's in his sig, too

You guys can kill the last endbos with every group. You only need archers for the fastest speedrun.

[VydarrTyr]

Make your homework better. He has a r50 pgl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLxsYEc8Fb8
And it's in his sig, too.

Except I wasn't responding to Murugan. I was responding to the person who said it's super easy to do, and anyone who can't do it must be an idiot, but who can't do it herself, and in fact has never even tried.

If you're going to suggest that I should do my homework, maybe you should at least read my post?