Fenrir in a duneon? Really SE, reallllllllly?

[Tiggy]

The things I mentioned were something that carried over through the FF titles, including an entire content concept from a different FF game. So when you see inconsistencies like this it's natural to wonder and hard to try to dismiss by saying "it's a different game" when they carried over plenty from the 'different games', that was my point.

Ironically Bahamut in XI and Bahamut in XIV are similar, the only difference is Bahamut in XI didn't get to wreck us.

Not it's not hard to dismiss it as a different game because it is. A couple of specific similarities does not immediately make all things similar. The bar in Revenant's toll is called the 7th Heaven and even includes the new secret base just like in FF7, but I don't expect Tifa and Cloud to come out all of a sudden because they didn't take every aspect. The bar itself doesn't even look the same. Another great example is the Crystal Tower. The mystical land Eureka won't be appear in the same context as it was in FF3. Yoshi has already told us as much and this is despite CT and ST following so closely to the original FF3 formula. Eureka as portrayed in FF3 didn't fit with what they were trying to do in FFXIV so they chose not to use it and will instead use it in a different way.

To summarize. They are perfectly allowed to take aspects they like and ignore aspects they don't like. Period.

Lastly, that isn't irony. In a fan service game using 1 aspect in a similar way to how it was in another game is expected (I mean that's why this thread exists) and that means it can't be irony since it was expected and easily foreseen.

[Moqi]

Yeah, it becomes obvious otherwise people would see just how much is borrowed for XIV, being a fan service title and all. It's like saying that just because Bahamut was the 'king of dragons/wyrms' or 'powerful dragon' in other FF games in XIV he should be the end boss of Copperbell Mines because he's insignificant and this is FFXIV not FF (insert.)

I'm not agreeing with you.

[Rorichan]

I just want my Fenrir summon, & SE, it better not be this:

Fenrir uses ANKLE BITE! It was SUPER EFFECTIVE!

[Tupsi]

Not it's not hard to dismiss it as a different game because it is.

Golden Saucer being a mini-game hub originated in FFVII - Redone as Serendpity in FFXIII/XIII-2, but being implemented in FFXIV, however Golden Saucer being the same Mini-Game hub shouldn't be as such, since you know "Different game."

A couple of specific similarities does not immediately make all things similar.

So the Garleans/Mechanical Genius Cid (sound familiar?) just coincidentally decided to create the same exact technology as FFVI's..? It doesn't make "all things similar", yet you can't dismiss it when they've already started down the path.

Yoshi has already told us as much and this is despite CT and ST following so closely to the original FF3 formula

Yoshi also told us to treat players like NPCs.

Lastly, that isn't irony. In a fan service game

Oh it is irony in context of the logic of: "This is a different game."

I'm not agreeing with you.

I know, because if someone did only play FFXI they wouldn't have known that Omega and Ultima has always been "Ultimate Weapons" of some kind - In XI they weren't designed for anything specific other than being weapons, however Omega through the series has always been designed to seek out Shinryu, something you wouldn't know if you did only play FFXI.

[Tiggy]

You don't get it Tupsi. You can list a million similarities but not one specific similarity guarantees another specific similarity will exist with 100% accuracy at all. Just like my CT/ST Eureka example.

This is one of those situations that needs more "deal with it."

Oh it is irony in context of the logic of: "This is a different game."

A game to which you correctly pointed out is a fan service game. Completely negating any irony present.

It can be a fan service game and do things differently at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive features. That's what you seem to fail to understand.

[Tupsi]

You don't get it Tupsi. You can list a million similarities but not one specific similarity guarantees another specific similarity will exist with 100% accuracy at all. Just like my CT/ST Eureka example.

All he did was basically switch who/what claims hold of Crystal Tower. Eureka he simply didn't want to, once again, Ironically hand out treasures even though each treasure was technically behind a (tough or easy fight depending on your progression.) It would actually have been designed like XI's Nyzul Isle if they actually wanted to. While on the subject of Crystal Tower, you do know they switched some enemy/boss names around to be more accurate to FFIII's right? So yeah, Fan Service can be accurate or just hints, but like I said in my example, why did they keep Bahamut as a 'key figure' and not make him some boss of a level 20 dungeon? Fenrir has always been "just a summon" until he was finally given a bigger role. Carbuncle has almost never had a large role outside of FFXI and once again he ends up as your starter pet for a pet class, but in XIV it's just a familiar that's easily summoned, compared to XI where she was one of the key summons to basically..life itself.

So I get it, your disconnect seems to be you dislike that people are drawing comparisons using the same logic already present in this game. If it doesn't guarantee 100% accuracy, why has, thus far, every 'fan service element' been accurate? You know, they actually never explained why we do have the same technology as a different Universes. Coincidences exist, but I doubt that big of a coincidence could happen.

[Danbo05]

For all we know, the dungeon could be a part of the main storyline, and Fenrir could be a possible mount in the Shiva fight. But then again, Ice Pony is likely what we're gonna get. At least we'll maybe get Sleipner in 2.5. And maybe Odin.

[MrLeonheart]

Nevermind Fenrir, why is Kujata just some random generic buffalo and not a huge extreme mode primal that drops rad weapons!!?!!?!?

[Tiggy]

So I get it, your disconnect seems to be you dislike that people are drawing comparisons using the same logic already present in this game. If it doesn't guarantee 100% accuracy, why has, thus far, every 'fan service element' been accurate? You know, they actually never explained why we do have the same technology as a different Universes. Coincidences exist, but I doubt that big of a coincidence could happen.

No I don't have any problem with those people. The problem I have is that you think that counts as logic even when you admit it doesn't 100% guarantee accuracy. This is a game developed by a bunch of people sitting in an office who get to decide all on there own what they do and don't bring into the game. Using a previous games lore as any sort of guide post will lead to nothing but disappointment. This thread being a great example of that disappointment. It's not logical to assume an aspect will carry over just because other aspects did. That is not logic. It's a fallacy. Flat out assumptions. Educated guesses at best. To take an assumption and then act disappointed it didn't happen the way you envisioned puts the fault squarely on the person making the assumption. You just don't get it. You're using faulty logic and wrapping it up and trying to call it logic.

why did they keep Bahamut as a 'key figure' and not make him some boss of a level 20 dungeon?

Because they "felt like it" would be an adequate enough response. You seem to think that every decision they made when developing XIV was based around keeping it true to some past FF games lore. It doesn't. They use pieces of lore that make sense and throw pieces away that don't. All based on their whims and vision for what FFXIV will specifically be and how it will differentiate itself as a FF title from the rest.

So yeah, Fan Service can be accurate or just hints,

Key word. Hints. It doesn't make the past games a bible to be followed to the letter. You can use past games to make educated guessed, but that's all they are. Not a justification for all this rage. Sometimes the game has to define itself as something a bit different from the past games despite all the fan service it contains.

Lastly. If the elemental Primals and Bahamut is proof they are following XI's style then where does carbuncle fit in all this? He isn't a terrestrial avatar this time. He's an arcane construct that isn't like a primal and therefore lacks the ability to temper. So carbuncle blows a big fat hole through the entire theory they follow XI's system 100%. They can literally do whatever they want because they feel like it.

[Mardel]

So I get it, your disconnect seems to be you dislike that people are drawing comparisons using the same logic already present in this game. If it doesn't guarantee 100% accuracy, why has, thus far, every 'fan service element' been accurate? You know, they actually never explained why we do have the same technology as a different Universes. Coincidences exist, but I doubt that big of a coincidence could happen.

The coincidence exists because it does. Why not use this argument in every other FF game then?
Why do they all have bahamut, magic, etc...? You can argue coincidences for all of eternity but it doesn't hold weight in a fantasy universe/setting. This game is simply a homage to VARIOUS FF(s) meaning they chose to use Fenrir as other FF(s) depicted him. (Not only 11)

I.E. The issue is that people who played FF11, feel (as always) that FF11 should hold more weight in their decision for game design. However, time and time again they have shown us that NO it doesn't hold more weight.

/arguement end

P.S. I played ff11 for many years and I DON'T CARE if he is a boss fight. All fights outside end game raid are trivial anyways.