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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrebrand View Post
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    Not only did you care enough about my post, but you cared enough to mock it up to sound even worse.

    Did I strike a nerve perhaps?

    To make profit you should keep a cool head. The purpose of my tactics seems lost on you.

    Its something called "market control". By controlling the prices, when it inflates or deflates, and discouraging my competition, I end up in control of the market.

    I first realized this from a crafter on FFXI named "Semitry", who beat me up pretty good on my way up. I'm sure anyone who career crafted on Midgardsormr would remember this fellow.

    He would blast the market with dozens of HQ Scorpion harness to force the price of NQ's into nil, he bought out materials used to level to 100 out from beneath people and skyrocketed their price, stockpiling loads of it that would never be used, all to control the market, make profit off his desperate competitors, and trick elitists into paying 1000% for the HQ product. Then he'd let the market sit and resell those loads of cheap NQ's at a profit.

    At first I was angry- but then I realized just how effective his tactic was. He had "market control", he was able to directly manipulate its prices, his profit, and the possibility of those willing to compete with him at all.

    So at that point I decided to learn from it. I enter into a field of about 4-5 goods and I use a very similar method, I drive out my competition while stocking up, then make profit off the stock, then drive it higher for even more profit. Others begin trying to hop on board and make profit from my efforts there- and then I start the process again, often demolishing them in the process. Not always, just often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashuto View Post

    So at that point I decided to learn from it. I enter into a field of about 4-5 goods and I use a very similar method, I drive out my competition while stocking up, then make profit off the stock, then drive it higher for even more profit. Others begin trying to hop on board and make profit from my efforts there- and then I start the process again, often demolishing them in the process. Not always, just often.

    Good for you, i of course get around "attempts to destroy me" by being diversified and not requiring one thing to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomoru View Post
    Good for you, i of course get around "attempts to destroy me" by being diversified and not requiring one thing to sell.
    In all fairness, the Scorpion Harness market he refers to was a big deal in FFXI. Even a NQ Harness was so much better than other body pieces of its level range that it was perfectly acceptable even as endgame gear. Roughly three quarters of all jobs in the game were considered gimp if they didn't have one, and the materials to craft them were rare and expensive at the time. Acquiring one was pretty much considered a rite of passage for DDs and tanks aliike. And getting a HQ Scorpion Harness? A synth had, at best, only a 10% chance of HQ (and that high only if you had a rather specialized crafting build - 1% chance if you did not). Getting one marked you as someone who was very serious about your class, because it was a huge investment.

    The markets in FFXIV, though, are an entirely different story. There's no equivalent to the Scorpion Harness because ALL rare sale items are luxury items. Housing items, glamour items, minions - none of these things are preventing you from progressing in the game if you don't have them. As crafters wrestle over various markets, buyers can either buy or shrug their shoulders and leave without feeling any pressure whatsoever, unlike the Harness buyers in FFXI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    The markets in FFXIV, though, are an entirely different story. There's no equivalent to the Scorpion Harness because ALL rare sale items are luxury items. Housing items, glamour items, minions - none of these things are preventing you from progressing in the game if you don't have them. As crafters wrestle over various markets, buyers can either buy or shrug their shoulders and leave without feeling any pressure whatsoever, unlike the Harness buyers in FFXI.
    That's why I find the whole system strategy import hilarious(almost as much as the person who had "control over the enchants/pots market in WoW). Those strategies only work when you monopolize necissities. Since difficulty in this game is less built on having the right enchant, or stat and much more on player skill talking about "destroying a market" is just hilarious.
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