People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[ShiloEET]

Nobody has to be kicked for watching a cutscenes... its not ok to do stuff like this.

[LalaRu]

...r make cutscenes:
1. Unskippable, forcing every player to watch it, every time.

This is along the line of what I suggested time ago: make cutscenes skip ONLY if everyone chosen to skip.

New players happy, and unfriendly players served.

This argument was on forum countless times, but all excuses given for forcing cs skip are quite insufficient for a justification:

new players are slowing us

You are running DF for what? Tomes and alike, you MUST know there are better methods to earn them, and in a fraction of the time a "Praetorium speedrun" does. Then, speedrun and DF does not match together, amazing that someone still haven't realized that.

they can see them at the inn

The Inn watch, I'm quite sure anyone suggesting that have never done it. Watching cs at inn is, in one single word, a LAME experience! You don't have a context on which the scenes are running behind, then (dunno if a bug or not) some scenes of Praetorium aren't in the Inn.

they can see cs but we move on the duty without them

This happens more often, but the duty experience is (maybe) worse as the Inn, you see scenes skipping ahead your face, it may be possible some scene skipped alltogether because the party gone two or more cs ahead and them not presented to you.

[ElHeggunte]

I thought the entire point of the daily roulette was to get more people to redo older dungeons to help with queues for new players. Do your roulette, let the new people watch their cutscenes.

It is. The bonus is to entice return players into the queue so new players don't spend days waiting for a run. However, while it's common courtesy to let new players watch cutscenes, the group is by no means obligated to accommodate them, bonus myth or no. The bonus (and the new player bonus for that matter) is for clearing the dungeon. The system doesn't really care who gets to watch what cutscenes, who gets to participate in the fights, or how long the run takes just so long as the final boss dies before time runs out.

That doesn't excuse being rude, but the bonus also doesn't automatically mean that everyone else has to bend to the will of the new player.

Even if the other 7 don't want to watch that doesn't make their wants above that of the last player.

But it does, and it goes both ways. If most of the party wants to sit and watch cutscenes, those opposed don't have much choice in the matter but to wait if enough of the party is missing. If most of the party wants to skip cutscenes and speed run, the people who want to watch have little recourse other than to skip and at least join the fights or stay behind and watch, missing just about everything save for Ultima.

[Granyala]

This is along the line of what I suggested time ago: make cutscenes skip ONLY if everyone chosen to skip.

No. SE needs to get it into their heads that farmable content + long winded cutscenes is NOT good design.
Use CS for stuff you do once per character.
Use CS at the END of the dungeon.

But leave that stuff out of the middle, so the run doesn't get interrupted every goddamn 3 trashmobs.

That being said: I'd never kick someone for watching them. However, if it's only one DPS or so, we usually will proceed with the run, since it makes no sense to wait for one person you don't need to defeat the bosses.

BTW: If you force people to watch the CS? They will drop out of the dungeon / not queue. So your new players get insane queues or never get in.

[f3re]

I'm not engaging in this cyclical argument that's been beat to death.

Use the Party Finder if you want content to be run a specific method. Get over it.

You do realize that you stating to use the PF for a specific method also means use the party finder if you want to skip all the cut-scenes also right?

When I use DF I fully expect there could be a new player and don't mind them watching the cut-scenes.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Learn what democracy is. In modern democracy, the rights of everyone are protected.
The majority only rules in matters that do not infringe rights.

Let's say there are 7 vets who want to speedrun, take the bonus, but treat noobs like trash. The majority is trying to infringe on the right to experience content for the first time, so they don't rule.

Some will argue the vets have a right to speedrun.
They can do that with PF.

Some will argue vets have the right to speedrun and get a myth bonus.
The bonus is a reward for helping people, not a right.

Whatever. My democracy comment was just a tongue-in-cheek thing. The heart of the matter is that you will not be kicked unless most of the players vote for it. That means, YOU are the one who is out of place, not them. It's that simple.

You do realize that you stating to use the PF for a specific method also means use the party finder if you want to skip all the cut-scenes also right?

And again, it's a matter of what the majority of people wishes to do. There is no need to create a PF for something that is ALREADY the norm (i.e., skipping cutscenes). Duty Finder already naturally caters to what's more common. The UNCOMMON thing is not skipping - thus, dedicated PF entries should be made for this.

[Granyala]

Whatever. My democracy comment was just a tongue-in-cheek thing. The heart of the matter is that you will not be kicked unless most of the players vote for it. That means, YOU are the one who is out of place, not them. It's that simple.

Wrong.
95% of all people just click "yes" when a votekick appears w/o even checking if the reason is bull or anything.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Wrong.
95% of all people just click "yes" when a votekick appears w/o even checking if the reason is bull or anything.

How is that an argument? It's still a vote. It's not a fault of the person initiating it.

And besides, no one ever stated that democracy rewards proper awareness :P

[Granyala]

How is that an argument? It's still a vote. It's not a fault of the person initiating it.

And besides, no one ever stated that democracy rewards proper knowledge :P

Just responding to your "odd one out" comment that implied a proper reason as a necessity for a kick.
Trust me: you can get kicked w/o any reason at all.
Hell in WoW I've seen people get kicked for doing too much DPS because DPS #2 was jelly of the gear and the kick went through... O_o

As for your second statement: 150% agreed.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Well yeah, of course people can be kicked for any reason or no reason at all.

However, here we are discussing "being kicked because not skipping a CS", so I am arguing considering this assumption to be true.