People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[VesperValveto]

Just bc you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD. Demanding new players skip content just so you can shave time off your 2000th run is pretty rude. And having the gall to kick them is on a whole other level. And if you don't think so, all it does is speak to your character tbh.


Vesper - wow you actually have that in your signature. wow. try harder to validate yourself lol.

Demanding a group carry you though content and wait so as not to ruin your "immersion" is pretty rude. Having the gall to throw a tantrum when people get kicked for doing this only serves to show the special snowflake mentality so many people unfortunately have. If you don't think so, all it does is speak of your character.

Salem - wow I'm sorry that jab didn't work out for you. wow. better luck next time, buddy ^_^ wow.

These forum lawyers sure like to play word games with TOS. Don't believe them even for a second. When enough people report the same speed runner to the GM, they will investigate that speed run. If you attach logs of their verbal abuse and vote kick abuse, they will receive the punishment that they earned.

Sorry, but there's no playing word games with the TOS. That's just some good old fashion fact right there, clear as day. Pretend it doesn't exist all you want; just don't get upset when a GM tells you the same exact thing after an illegitimate report.

[NyarukoW]

...That's just some good old fashion fact right there, clear as day. Pretend it doesn't exist all you want; just don't get upset when a GM tells you the same exact thing after an illegitimate report..

Fact, we had a trouble maker in our FC for a while. And we reported him for vote kick abuse, and he earned a suspension. When came back, he was cussing at us for being snitches, at that point we kicked him out of our FC. I don't know how many FC's he's change since then, but never seems to be able to stay in one. Believe what you like, you can try talking your way out of it with GM. Good luck buddy, when they see the logs from the 1st-timers being abused, you'll will have no grounds to stand on.

[Shadex]

Bad behavior is bad behavior. There is no justifying it. It simply is and the people that exhibit these behaviors are rude and that is all there is to it. There is no, go elsewhere or use some other game mechanic. Story scenes are 'part of the game'. To tell them they are not allowed to participate in an element that is built into the very core of the game just because someone has serious patience issues is not their problem.

How about all the cut scenes people start kicking everyone that wants to rush through and tell them, 'you want to rush through' go make a rush group in party finder and stay out of DF. Does that help? Shall we go that route?

[SalemP]

Demanding a group carry you though content and wait so as not to ruin your "immersion" is pretty rude. Having the gall to throw a tantrum when people get kicked for doing this only serves to show the special snowflake mentality so many people unfortunately have. If you don't think so, all it does is speak to your character.

How are they being carried? If you don't leave them behind, they're contributing just as much as any other member of the party. I've never heard a new player demand anything of the party nor throw a tantrum, only the other way around. And sorry, no. Watching the cutscenes of a first time playthrough is not too much to ask, and doesn't make anyone a special snowflake. I find it ironic that you would call people that while demanding people cater to your preferred play style. Who's the special snowflake here? Certainly not you, am I right?

[NorthernLadMSP]

Correct. People like Vesper are purely hypocritical, through and through. They yell on the forums that they shouldn't have to bow to other players' wishes or playstyles, yet they demand that other players bow to theirs.

[VesperValveto]

Fact, we had a trouble maker in our FC for a while. And we reported him for vote kick abuse, and he earned a suspension. When came back, he was cussing at us for being snitches, at that point we kicked him out of our FC. I don't know how many FC's he's change since then, but never seems to be able to stay in one. Believe what you like, you can try talking your way out of it with GM. Good luck buddy, when they see the logs from the 1st-timers being abused, you'll will have no grounds to stand on.

I find it highly unlikely that this happened, but regardless that's irrelevant; the argument is not that you can't get suspended for vote kick abuse, the argument is that kicking someone for playstyle differences (skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc) is not vote kick abuse. Seeing how SE already cleared up this matter by saying it's not, I guess we can put that to rest.

How are they being carried? If you don't leave them behind, they're contributing just as much as any other member of the party. I've never heard a new player demand anything of the party nor throw a tantrum, only the other way around. And sorry, no. Watching the cutscenes of a first time playthrough is not too much to ask, and doesn't make anyone a special snowflake. I find it ironic that you would call people that while demanding people cater to your preferred play style. Who's the special snowflake here? Certainly not you, am I right?

7 people shouldn't need to wait up for one person because they don't want to watch the CS in the inn. When that person expects the rest of the group to wait around for them and then gets upset and throws a tantrum on the forum when they get kicked then yes, they are acting like they are a special snowflake.

I'm guessing you don't really understand the word "ironic". I'm not demanding anyone cater to my playstyle. I'm simply pointing out that the will of the majority rules in DF, and if people don't want to carry someone who insists on watching a CS and be carried through content they don't have to and it is well within the right of the group to kick said individual. You're thinking of the word "hypocritical", which would still be wrong because of the reason I just stated above. What would be ironic is if I entered a DF group that had 7 people who wanted to watch CS and I threw a fit about it, got vote kicked, then came on the forums posting a thread about it.

Correct. People like Vesper are purely hypocritical, through and through. They yell on the forums that they shouldn't have to bow to other players' wishes or playstyles, yet they demand that other players bow to theirs.

Sorry, but this is just flat out wrong. As I just explained, I never said anyone needs to bow to my playstyle, what I did say is people need to bow to the playstyle of the group. Please go into detail on how this is hypocritical.

How about all the cut scenes people start kicking everyone that wants to rush through and tell them, 'you want to rush through' go make a rush group in party finder and stay out of DF. Does that help? Shall we go that route?

That's perfectly fine. if the majority of the group wants to watch the CS, and then kick people who are rushing through, that is well within their right. So, can we agree then that this is the route to be taken?

[NorthernLadMSP]

All of your comments indicate otherwise.

If you are telling us, that if 5 of the 8 group members wanted to watch their CS's, then you would allow them with no drama/kicking/snarky comments, then I will take back what I said regarding you personally.

[OdinEon]

Yeah, people who do this are the worst,*I personally don't mind waiting for others that want to watch cs afterall, isn't that what we play for? My friends and I often help others through endgame and we make it clear we are running new peeps, and that we will be explaining tactics and they may want to watch the cs, if anyone gets rude none of us cross the start line and the fight will fail, usually the person that was rude gets the boot after the wipe, usually a tank, we got plenty friends that will que in progress if its the healer or tank so no bigs. Try me.

[VesperValveto]

All of your comments indicate otherwise.

Ah, so in other words; "No, I can't. I'm just upset that I can't debate your points properly, so I've decided to resort to hurling personal insults."

Thanks for being upfront about it! ^_^

What personal insult? Please read my whole comment, not just a snippet.

Oh, you mean the part you edited after my response? Sure, I already stated I have no problem if 5 out of the 8 want to watch the cutscene (my response to Shadex a couple posts back). It personally makes no difference. Scouts honor.

Fair enough about the same time typing.

Further edit: At this point, I'm not going to use anymore daily posts arguing with you. Have a good day.

You forgot to take back what you said about me.

[NorthernLadMSP]

What personal insult? Please read my whole comment, not just a snippet.

EDIT. No the part I was adding while you were responding. As in, the part I was typing probably while you were also typing since the times match up exactly.

Further edit: At this point, I'm not going to use anymore daily posts arguing with you. Have a good day.