BLM AoE Rotation

[NyneAlexander]

For some reason, I never thought to throw a F2 in right after Convert. Good stuff.

Only works if you have 251(?) piety.

[Numenor1379]

Only works if you have 251(?) piety.

250 is the minimum.

[Umero]

I like to hard cast the first flare and swiftcast the second. If you swiftcast the first, sometimes your target mob dies before you can get the second flare out, your cast gets interrupted, and you have to start over. If that happens on the second flare using swiftcast, you can immediately switch to a live target and get the flare casted immediately. .

isn't it still better to swiftcast your first flare? As you stated, mob dies before you can get the second flare out, that's a good thing. It means they actually die faster lol

[Cynfael]

isn't it still better to swiftcast your first flare? As you stated, mob dies before you can get the second flare out, that's a good thing. It means they actually die faster lol

It's not as good if the mob you are using for target practice dies prematurely and interrupts your follow-up hard-cast Flare that would have finished everything else :P

[Uninstall]

Wouldn't this kinda be the case whether you use swiftcast or not, since you can't transpose until the Flare cast is finished anyway?

I can't believe I have to explain this simple concept. If you Swiftcast a spell, it happens at the start of a GCD instead of at the end.

[ShaolinMike]

I can't believe I have to explain this simple concept. If you Swiftcast a spell, it happens at the start of a GCD instead of at the end.

I can't believe you felt the need to be condescending when I was only asking a question. I forgot that transpose is oGCD. My bad.

[Zeny]

Only works if you have 251(?) piety.

Yep, and even for the "master race" the F2 after convert is situational. The rotation I stated is for an instance like Syrcus Tower, or Tam Tara HM with larger pulls at the start (since some monsters there are stoneskined, you can keep them as your main flare target longer). In cases like Brayflox HM, given the new gear levels and sometimes running with a WHM instead of a SCH - going directly into swiftcast + flare is the best option. You can probably finish off any low HP mobs with Freeze.

It's not as good if the mob you are using for target practice dies prematurely and interrupts your follow-up hard-cast Flare that would have finished everything else :P

This has been a challenge for me some pulls in Tam Tara HM since I run with a super hard hitting dragoon and warrior a lot of the time. I think people take for granted the amount of damage overpower + doom spike can do, while they've got limited TP the mobs usually don't last very long! One flare is enough some times.

[Aiyza]

1. What would be the aoe rotation for a quick mob with just flares? Is it>

f3>qs+rs>flare>convert>swc>flare>pot>flare>transpose (tick)>repeat?

Also I know you guys said its 251 to add in the f2 in the aoe rotation, but I just want to know for clarification why are you adding in a f2 instead of just continuing with the flares? Thanks!

2. Also, can anyone answer me what you would do if you get a thundercloud proc right after you hardcasted t1 in umbral 3? Just use it?

3. And...>.< When they talk about fire weaving, do they mean for your last f1..you do f1>offgcd>f1>b3?

4. if you get a thundercloud proc right before or close to having to go into umbral3, do you use it before you go into umbral and still hardcast t1, or just continue with a b1 after b3 if you need it for tic and use the proc in umbral?

im low level blm so not sure if this stuff is different at 50

[Zeny]

1. What would be the aoe rotation for a quick mob with just flares? Is it>

2. Also, can anyone answer me what you would do if you get a thundercloud proc right after you hardcasted t1 in umbral 3? Just use it?

3. And...>.< When they talk about fire weaving, do they mean for your last f1..you do f1>offgcd>f1>b3?

4. if you get a thundercloud proc right before or close to having to go into umbral3, do you use it before you go into umbral and still hardcast t1, or just continue with a b1 after b3 if you need it for tic and use the proc in umbral?

1: For "quick" mob pulls, or a short life span expectancy, there's no "just flares" really. I don't actually use any cooldowns. F3 > F2 x3 > Flare > Transpose. They should be dead if they have low enough hp. If not, F3 after the Transpose into F2 x2 and flare again if necessary.

2: Depends on the tick. If you have already 1/2 mana after your t1 cast (1 tick) you should be able to hold onto that thundercloud until after your first fireball. Ideally try and save it for a fireweave, but honesty I would probably just lob a thunder 3 out right after the t1 in Umbral Ice 3.

3: F3 > F1 x5 > OGCD and check to see if you got the proc. So no what you stated is not the ideal scenario.

4: If you get a thundercloud on your final fire 1, prior to casting blizzard 3, use it to fireweave. If you get it as you are casting blizzard 3, or during your fireweave check, use it after your blizzard 3 and cast blizzard 1 to fill in if necessary. I wouldn't recast any thunders in that situation personally.

[Aiyza]

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Thank you very much Appreciate it!!

For your rotation for high hp targets, do you use a spell like freeze or blizz2 after your transpose or just wait for mana tick and continue?