ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[Starvald]

then what is next after easing up on Atma drop rates? Then everyone will be whining that 1500 myth per book are too much and SE should lower that too?

I've been through the Atma grind, having a full time job and so on. I whined endlessly to my friend who finished her second Atma set in like a week while I was still at 4/12 on my first set. Yes, it is a shitty grind but once you get it, you have (after all upgrades) the best weapon in game. The best weapon should not be something that can be obtained in a week.

If you don't want to do the grind, go and buy the weapons you can get from tokens. 1300 tokens plus an UAT is ridiculously easy to obtain nowadays and the weapons are pretty nice.

[Taliph]

then what is next after easing up on Atma drop rates? Then everyone will be whining that 1500 myth per book are too much and SE should lower that too?

I've been through the Atma grind, having a full time job and so on. I whined endlessly to my friend who finished her second Atma set in like a week while I was still at 4/12 on my first set. Yes, it is a shitty grind but once you get it, you have (after all upgrades) the best weapon in game. The best weapon should not be something that can be obtained in a week.

If you don't want to do the grind, go and buy the weapons you can get from tokens. 1300 tokens plus an UAT is ridiculously easy to obtain nowadays and the weapons are pretty nice.

I'll just put this here, maybe educate you a bit...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

[Starvald]

I'll just put this here, maybe educate you a bit...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Not quite sure what you are trying to prove. That you are good at googling and posting wiki links?
The FFXIV community is constantly whining about things: atma drop rates, ramuh too hard, second coil should be a walk in the park.....it is not too far fetched that an improvement in atma drop rates will lead to more demands on objectives in the nexus quest line.

I am quite sure that in the future SE will improve the conditions but I don't think the time is yet here. If people now don't have the time for grinding maybe waiting a few more months shouldn't be that hard of a problem.

[Taliph]

Simply put, the argument you state falls under the logical fallacy portion of that article, read it and you will see how it applies.

Btw, myth tomes will likely be phased out, just like philo tomes were, in the upcoming patch.

Edit to add: a proper and non-fallacious use of slippery slope would be to surmise from previous nerfs to old content that the atma(and all other content you mention) will likely be nerfed in the near future as part of the games design philosophy. So all the detractors thankfully are wasting their breath.

[RiceisNice]

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>Atma is not BiS. It's technically not even a Ilvl 100 item, it only has that tag with the actual stats of a Ilvl 90 item. It never obtains Ilvl 100 stats until you upgrade it to Animus (which is the animus step and on the animus weapon, this thread is specifically toward Atma)...

>Animus and Novus have all been indirectly nerfed due to how saturated the game is with mythology tomes, mostly due to hunts. Also, the ire that Atma earns on the forums is far more than what animus gets (with the only thing I've seen is some of the FATE appearances such as Giant Seps...which has died out in thread history) So in response to what taliph mentiin, you are making a really huge jump from the RNG-ordeal from atma versus the myth costs of animus.

>1300 tokens still takes three weeks. That's essentially the same progression as a typical person working towards Novus with the Alexendrites. The fact that unweathered weapons are even more easy to obtain in comparison to relic leaves me to question just what place does relic have in the grand scheme of thing as far as gearing up is concerned. It hasn't even been BiS up until Nexus, and that's only from secondary stats.
>>People keep saying that they don't want relic to be handed out with minimal effort...Well thats the thing...the Atma step outright fails with that with how incredibly varied RNG can be. I don't think its doing a very good job at being the gateholder if people can get all 12 within 2 days... it suddenly becomes an easier and shorter step than zenith even in today's mythology standards, all the while the same possibility of someone taking months to get all 12.

>And people have quit the game over this. "It's optional content, get over it.". Not everything appeals to everyone. The same people who make this statement sympathize with people who have quit frontlines because cleric stance got removed, because their choice of content doesn't appeal to them anymore.

[16bitBounty]

If you fate grind 2 hours a day and call it a full days work then you deserve to be disappointed. I did a full ATMA grind in around 30 hours of play time. Not that big of a deal. I've done ATMA twice. Maybe 37-40 hours the first time. Animus grind was a bigger pain in the ass than ATMA grind. Nothing needs to be changed. You can get better weapons if you want them without grinding.

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

I haven't done it yet, and I am about to give it a go I think, but honestly I am happy there is actually something in this game with some RNG. I mean everything else is just tokens tokens tokens. I hate it so much because it is so extremely boring, I don't care if it "is more fair". The excitement I get from finally seeing that item I want drop is for the most part something I miss so I don't at all mind if I have to work harder than everyone else to get it since it also means I get the excitement of hoping this guy might be the one to drop and the sense of accomplishment and joy when I finally get the drop. I am not saying I don't understand why people don't agree with me, but there are no "facts and reality" here. Telling people to ignore the other side because they don't agree won't help your cause honestly. Discussion is good because there are always two sides to the same coin.

[Zumi]

They already said they were going to nerf it when 2.4 comes out.

[RiceisNice]

They already said they were going to nerf it when 2.4 comes out.

[Citation Needed]. Only thing I got so far was that we were told to prepare Atmas for Ninja if we wanted to get their relic weapon.

...Unless they're fishing us here and they want us to grind Atma more with these rates, only for them to increase it on 2.4. (Which unfortunately... I see this as a possibility with how some of the past updates have been handled)

[SythSynner]

Personally, I fall into the 4th category, I have not personally strived to collect atma, only really doing so alongside a friend (who on these forums goes by Kusari-Chan) that in doing the same amount of work, for the same amount of hours as I, recieved none, while I managed to collect a full set, including several duplicates in that period of time.

This right here is what I have been repetitively been trying to tell others on other threads. So many players have reported (Including myself) that they got all of their Atma in a much quicker time frame (compare to those 'nerf atma' players) while running SOLO (Chocobo can be included, I know).

Above that I have seen players pop into a zone, ask for 'Atma Farming Party' (Lol, really? Tagging makes zero difference) and then 1-2 hours later say "F this, I am out." While I have been there hours before they got there. (While I did get all 12 of mine within 2 day time frame, I did NOT give up in a zone or on my grind till I got said Atma in that zone. The most time I spent in 1 zone non-stop was 18hrs and that was in Outer La Noscea.)

Anyways, running solo (with or without Chocobo) should up your chances of getting an Atma. It helped me and also a few friends that were on that part of the quest.

Again, like I have said in 6 billion other threads made for QQ Atma QQ, I hope this info helps. Stick to 1 zone, be solo, and do not give up. Try to hit every FATE, not just ones you feel like. Above that, Karma can be a b*tch. If you see only 1-2 other players along side you doing the same thing, help finish the FATE, do not just kill a mob and move to the next... don't be a d*ck.