ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[Tsuwu]

It is broken. I promise.
What do any of you have to gain from leaving the ATMA farming as it is please tell me!

Someone else put it well in another thread: By removing this system, it eliminates the gambler's high that the game designers wanted. Do you not get that feeling? That excitement when you feel like you got lucky?
Do you really want yet another "kill things until you have X tokens. Turn in tokens."
This grind at least provides variety and something outside the token spam that people blaze through and then abandon.
It's something that a vast majority of the player base can still do together, regardless of what point they're at in endgame.
It's exciting, and I actually enjoy it
Yeah, it's commonplace to groan when fate 89 still doesn't drop that damn Atma of the Scales.
And to commiserate when your buddy is on a 3 hour drought.
But by constantly nerfing everything, the fun will be replaced with monotonous token slaving.
Please, keep the RNG.

[Teirshin]

Do you not get that feeling? That excitement when you feel like you got lucky?

I think the feeling many have is more like nausea.... headaches... coma... from the mindless, repetitve, grind of content that's been overused since launch for far too many things.

But by constantly nerfing everything, the fun will be replaced with monotonous token slaving.
Please, keep the RNG.

...the mindless, un-fun grind with hours, days and possibly weeks of zero progress, will be replaced by a feeling of accomplishment and progress is more like it.

Tokens may be a grind, but its a grind with progress that is guaranteed. Make it hard and require a ton of tokens if you want, but I'll take those over stupid, lazy programmer RNG anyday. If I wanted to gamble I'd go to a casino.

But, I dont gamble.. which is why I've not touched ATMA and wont while its pure RNG bs.

[Shurrikhan]

Someone else put it well in another thread: By removing this system, it eliminates the gambler's high that the game designers wanted. Do you not get that feeling? That excitement when you feel like you got lucky?
Do you really want yet another "kill things until you have X tokens. Turn in tokens."
This grind at least provides variety and something outside the token spam that people blaze through and then abandon.
It's something that a vast majority of the player base can still do together, regardless of what point they're at in endgame.
It's exciting, and I actually enjoy it
Yeah, it's commonplace to groan when fate 89 still doesn't drop that damn Atma of the Scales.
And to commiserate when your buddy is on a 3 hour drought.
But by constantly nerfing everything, the fun will be replaced with monotonous token slaving.
Please, keep the RNG.

With zero ability to affect your chances per fate, I don't see how the gambler's high is an issue either. It eventually drops, and you switch zones. There's nothing else to it.
I've seen atmas drop for party member on their first fate in a zone, and inversely it could be over 200 in another zone without it really mattering to me (except that that zone's fates will have gotten especially dull)--I'd just rather a few weren't shunted to twice or thrice the average number of total fates to complete their set. I'd much rather have an illusion of RNG that brings the total number within a max range of 200 (300 to 500 fates total, etc.), or else (or in addition) have variance in other manners, wherein, for example, certain FATEs have hidden links to others and there is an actual element of guesswork or gambling.

A tool allegedly meant to help newer or more casual players to (re)merge with current endgame ranks does not function as such when it springboards a random few and leaves another random few well behind. (And if it were to ever truly be a means of bringing players back into the fold, it probably even ought to have a way to help people with their atma collection beyond the mere accelerating of their FATEs.)

Tldr; Fine with same time spent, not so much with the range of deviation. Or it could be shortened, idc; Animus grind is long enough as is. Could also just be a more entertaining process. Whatever.

[Tridus1x]

For the numbers 1 and 2- You can't get your point across because they still don't understand fundamental basics of math. So even attempting to explain RNG to them, would be like trying to explain why global warming is bad to a republican.

Anyways, I'm almost done with my 3rd atma set and I think the nerfs should happen. Mostly because, I can actually comprehend that my sole experience based on a RNG factor of the game doesn't speak for the rest of players.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

I think its only the people in group 2 that have trouble with math, the people from group 1 are just bitter and hate everything equally.

[PandaOnAcid]

5. Those who don't care either way

I'm sure there's plenty of these. Possibly more than the other four.

[Sighearth]

Hmm the PRNG could generate a seed for each player, upon login or for any fate a player do generate another seed for that person to create the roll in the end, i dont think that servers have some kind of shared seed that changes with time, because if so we could calculate the pattern and find "best hours" to farm a specific atma, otherwise SE could find a source of entropy to go against this of course, but i think the first option is a lot more easier to implement and solve the rng distribution as well

Edit: About the atma system, i already have a set and farming my second, i got 4 atmas in a couple of hours, but i do agree that is a poor idea in terms of fun, as the relic are getting more and more steps, the atma system must be updated to the players who are falling behind, and lets be honest its not fun to run around maps and do the same thing over and over that you cant get anything for it, except the atma.

[Purrfectstorm]

Key point: It doesn't matter what anybody thinks. SE has already said they would increase drop rates in the future. They're just not going to do it right NOW, which makes sense because it gives people something to do until 2.4 comes out. My bet is they'll do something then and then the people who this really bothers (and I'm not one of them) can be happy.

[Chihaya]

So addressing means insulting, telling them to get over themselves or calling them ignorant is gonna help....

[Lexiii]

So addressing means insulting, telling them to get over themselves or calling them ignorant is gonna help....

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