ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

Oh, hey.
Good thing we're not blue in the face from this topic, yet.

This topic is directed at people like you, not the developers.

Since this topic is suddenly flaring up again, just to see, I started on my third set of Atma today after finishing my second set in only 5 days.
And I'm now at 3/12. Again. In about 5 hours.

Good for you, I got a full set of atma, 3 extra rams and 2 extra water bearers while farming with a friend who only got 1 atma the whole time - I'm just not an ass about it that ignores the downside of RNG because I already got some success.

It isn't broken. I promise.

Nobody said it was broken, its just inefficient and not equally rewarding.

Less whine, more grind.

See my answer to group 2. I've probably done more grinding than you have in the last few months. And then, maybe i haven't. I don't care either way,
What i do care about is that I am receiving more reward for the time i put in than someone else who put the same amount in - but you cannot and will never see that, so kindly find the exit to the topic on the left, don't let it hit you in the face as you walk backwards out of it.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

What you are proposing is impossible because the server shares the PRNG state with other players. .

That can not be the case, it appears to be per player and rolled per player since multiple people in a party completing a fate on the completion of that fate can recieve an atma at the same time, its not just limited to a single person getting it per fate completion. - similarly to how mob loot drops are not just limited to a single person, though are extremely low chance of having 2 people recieve loot from the same mob.

[Tridus1x]

For the numbers 1 and 2- You can't get your point across because they still don't understand fundamental basics of math. So even attempting to explain RNG to them, would be like trying to explain why global warming is bad to a republican.

Anyways, I'm almost done with my 3rd atma set and I think the nerfs should happen. Mostly because, I can actually comprehend that my sole experience based on a RNG factor of the game doesn't speak for the rest of players.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

I think its only the people in group 2 that have trouble with math, the people from group 1 are just bitter and hate everything equally.

[Lexiii]

That can not be the case, it appears to be per player and rolled per player since multiple people in a party completing a fate on the completion of that fate can recieve an atma at the same time, its not just limited to a single person getting it per fate completion. - similarly to how mob loot drops are not just limited to a single person, though are extremely low chance of having 2 people recieve loot from the same mob.

Wh-what? What you are proposing makes no sense from a programming standpoint. Are you a programmer? Because if not, then I think we're done :P. If so, explain this code: https://gist.github.com/AlexisEvo/6067dc3cf94ab04c2806 PRNG state is shared between all players, yet each scenario handles rolling perfectly. And as I said, even if this wasn't the case, it still isn't exploitable. I don't mean to talk down to anyone, but you clearly seem out of your element here ><.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

Wh-what? What you are proposing makes no sense from a programming standpoint. Are you a programmer? Because if not, then I think we're done :P. If so, explain this code: https://gist.github.com/AlexisEvo/6067dc3cf94ab04c2806 PRNG state is shared between all players, yet each scenario handles rolling perfectly. And as I said, even if this wasn't the case, it still isn't exploitable. I don't mean to talk down to anyone, but you clearly seem out of your element here ><.

Lol, i misunderstood you,

You're talking about the system being shared, and im talking about how an atma can be obtained from multiple people from the same fate. Sorry for that miscommunication.

[PandaOnAcid]

5. Those who don't care either way

I'm sure there's plenty of these. Possibly more than the other four.

[Sighearth]

Hmm the PRNG could generate a seed for each player, upon login or for any fate a player do generate another seed for that person to create the roll in the end, i dont think that servers have some kind of shared seed that changes with time, because if so we could calculate the pattern and find "best hours" to farm a specific atma, otherwise SE could find a source of entropy to go against this of course, but i think the first option is a lot more easier to implement and solve the rng distribution as well

Edit: About the atma system, i already have a set and farming my second, i got 4 atmas in a couple of hours, but i do agree that is a poor idea in terms of fun, as the relic are getting more and more steps, the atma system must be updated to the players who are falling behind, and lets be honest its not fun to run around maps and do the same thing over and over that you cant get anything for it, except the atma.

[Purrfectstorm]

Key point: It doesn't matter what anybody thinks. SE has already said they would increase drop rates in the future. They're just not going to do it right NOW, which makes sense because it gives people something to do until 2.4 comes out. My bet is they'll do something then and then the people who this really bothers (and I'm not one of them) can be happy.

[Chihaya]

So addressing means insulting, telling them to get over themselves or calling them ignorant is gonna help....