ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[MirielleLavandre]

I don't really mind either way - working on my 2nd atma set since I used my first on PLD and am working on the 4th book on that. The grind is annoying but not impossible (7/12 atm) after a few weeks casually doing FATEs. However, I suppose nerfing it wouldn't be bad since it'd help people progress faster, but what I will mention is what I've said before and I think is the real reason there are tons of threads about nerfing FATES and ATMA now -- namely, raiders wanting BiS until 2.4.

While working on my 2nd atma set, almost all of the people I've seen zerging zones for atma have been in coil gear (SCOB, usually) and the only non-coil or non BiS stuff they have on is the zenith weapon. I think the main root cause of people wanting ATMA drop rates changed all of a sudden is the fact nexus is i115 and BiS for many jobs till 2.4. Once 2.4 gets here, I'm sure these threads will all die away and no one will care about relic weapons once again...

[Alkimi]

It's been like 6 months. If you don't have 12 atmas by now then well, you haven't even tried.

That being said I'm sure it will be nerfed in some way come 2.4 along with every other stage with the possible exception of Nexus. I think the only reason the Atma stage of the relic upgrade is even there is so you don't break the "law" of the item level system when you're upgrading the animus. It was also probably a way to make the world seem more alive with people running around zones, to impress the new PS4 players at the time.

[Velhart]

I could of sworn we just had this same exact thread yesterday. Two actually.

[JonBigwood]

When are they faster? Took me a twice as long to do Animus as Atma and I did a book a day, Yesterday I did two books.

Before the last patch with a lot of myth tomes dropping easier, each book would take 2 or 3 days to do, farming myth tomes and then doing the book. This means over a month for the animus.

About atmas, in my case I used to have 1 or two atmas drop per week, twice I had 0 per week and twice 3 per week. (I did my daily roulettes for tomes and farmed atmas, not farmed atmas full time.) Friends doing atmas at the same time, more dedicated, were just a bit quicker. That's why I think atma drop has been increased. People don't spend months doing the atmas now.

Conclusion: now it is much quicker than it used to be, not only atmas but also animus. And Novus. Alexandrites are also much easier to get with the myth tomes that accumulate at high speed with hunts and roulettes, plus the daily expert roulette for the map. Materia prices are other thing for some classes.

[Hayward]

It's so absurd to see so many people who fancy themselves "black belts" in the martial art of Atma collecting in this thread. Get over yourselves, folks, and admit that this system has no reason to exist any longer than it has. Gating people at the Zenith stage at this point is simply pandering to neckbeards and egomaniacs who cannot bear to see other people progress at a decent clip towards a goal.

Before you fix your fingers to type some mindless elitist trope, I am currently working on Veil of Wiyu Novus with 7 Atma towards another weapon. This system needs to be fixed.

[Exstal]

I wish I was elitist. It sounds like it'd be so much fun.

[kidvideo]

tl;dr

"If you agree I support you, if you don't you are not worthy to live."

LOLz. /no

[maxthunder1]

Oh, hey.
Good thing we're not blue in the face from this topic, yet.

Since this topic is suddenly flaring up again, just to see, I started on my third set of Atma today after finishing my second set in only 5 days.
And I'm now at 3/12. Again. In about 5 hours.

It isn't broken. I promise.

Less whine, more grind.
Don't wear yourself out to misery, if it's not putting out, move to another zone or go do something else.

Well said but the issue goes deeper than just rng. The main issue is they want a 100% drop they dont want to put time in regardless. They would rather sit in town or chat away than do the task at hand. Players need to realize that not everything can be a 100% drop.

Now we can either keep the rng or the dev's can make the atma grind in a different way that would take longer to accomplish (refer to the relic in XI specifically the currency needed). So let's choose which they would prefer, a rng system or a system just like what is in XI for the relic needed all that currency?

[MythToken]

The system that was clearly defined as taking many many months for each stage, before it was ever implemented, needs to be fixed?

Not sure that makes any sense.

Do you like the system? no
Is it unfair? yes
Is it ridiculously hard for some people? yes
Is that what SE wants? yes
Is that what SE stated it wanted before it implemented the system? yes

They have been extremely upfront about this system before and after its implementation. So while I understand some people not liking it, it is by no means broken and is working as intended.

#dealwithit

[maxthunder1]

It's so absurd to see so many people who fancy themselves "black belts" in the martial art of Atma collecting in this thread. Get over yourselves, folks, and admit that this system has no reason to exist any longer than it has. Gating people at the Zenith stage at this point is simply pandering to neckbeards and egomaniacs who cannot bear to see other people progress at a decent clip towards a goal.

Before you fix your fingers to type some mindless elitist trope, I am currently working on Veil of Wiyu Novus with 7 Atma towards another weapon. This system needs to be fixed.

Gating? Really? The atma isnt gated by any means, the only gating comes from the players because they refuse or dont have the patience. I refer you to XI relic specifically the part where you need X amount of currency from dynamis is that a system you want? Thats probably worse than the rng system but you decide.