ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[SythSynner]

Also...

2. Those who Ignore the worst end of RNG, and believe (choosing to ignore) that it is not a matter of a lack of effort, simply because they got their ATMA when the planets were aligned, during a blood moon whilst wearing their lucky colour for the day.

Lmfao, worst end of RNG? Ever heard of Wakfu? Currently 160 levels. Starting around 135ish it will take a day or 2 of playing to get another level. You want gear? Grind away on mobs that drop loot. (0.1%, 0.3%, 0.5%, 1%, 5%) These are the drop rates of 98% of all the items in the game. (Some even go as low as 0.01%.)

So thinking 5% DR is a bad way to go for RNG, think again. There are worst out there. 5% is a damn good solid DR for something as good as the Relic.

(The main Wakfu site, has an Encyclopedia that shows items in the game, etc. As well as the drop rates. So you can check for yourself if you like.)

[16bitBounty]

Ah the days of running Dreggon Dungeon a billion and five times and never seeing a Vulbus Dofus. (Ex-Dofus vet here).

[SythSynner]

Ah the days of running Dreggon Dungeon a billion and five times and never seeing a Vulbus Dofus. (Ex-Dofus vet here).

Lol, I never played Dofus, I hear good things about it tho. But yeah, I can see where you are getting at. Took me over 2 weeks to get a cape, a CAPE! After getting it I out leveled it, luckly it was still good (and best for my build/class) till like 30 levels passed it.

[Lemuria]

There are worst out there. 5% is a damn good solid DR for something as good as the Relic.

This would be a fine argument, if you were actually getting a relic. In actuality you're getting nothing but access to smaller upgrades. Atma is merely a key to unlock the weapon's potential -- it does literally nothing for the weapon itself.

That, more than any other reason, is why the atma grind needs to be toned down. It's boring, repetitive and gives literally ZERO reward.

[16bitBounty]

This would be a fine argument, if you were actually getting a relic. In actuality you're getting nothing but access to smaller upgrades. Atma is merely a key to unlock the weapon's potential -- it does literally nothing for the weapon itself.

That, more than any other reason, is why the atma grind needs to be toned down. It's boring, repetitive and gives literally ZERO reward.

It gave me plenty of reward. An ATMA relic weapon which I upgraded to Animus which I'll now use forever as a glamour for easier to obtain items.

[Starvald]

This would be a fine argument, if you were actually getting a relic. In actuality you're getting nothing but access to smaller upgrades. Atma is merely a key to unlock the weapon's potential -- it does literally nothing for the weapon itself.

That, more than any other reason, is why the atma grind needs to be toned down. It's boring, repetitive and gives literally ZERO reward.

I am sorry but why are you even trying to get Atma then if all you get as a "reward" (which apparently isn't even a reward for you) is access to some "smaller upgrades" as you so nicely put it. If there is nothing at the end of the grind that interests you, don't do the grind. Simple as that! If everyone would see the upgrades to Novus and Nexus as just smaller upgrades, I don't see a reason why there's such a hype around it.

[Symbiant]

Random opinionated comments

The jist of your post is "my opinion is the only thing that matters and every other opinion holds no validity"

Unfortunately with negative bullish attitudes like this achieves absolutely nothing. Most communities will shun such aggression.

In future posts you might want to be a little more political and you might actually convince some of the naysayers.

[Lemuria]

I don't see a reason why there's such a hype around it.

Me neither, but then surely that's just another reason why it shouldn't be so difficult to obtain? Getting Animus and Novus COMBINED are still infinitely more tolerable and faster than Atma since you can see some real progression to it.

Assume for a second you're amazing at Fates and each one only takes 5 minutes to complete (yeah, right). Assuming that also you're able to instantly teleport to each Fate and get right into the action, and yet further assuming that the average Fate count for 12 atmas is 500 total completed. Put that all together and Atma farming should take you 41 hours of total grind. Now let's also assume that you're a human being who plays an average of 4 hours per day, that's 11 days play for the atmas alone.

We're talking about a lot of liberties taken here. 5 minutes is a very small time for a Fate. I've not accounted for travelling between them nor for any other FFXIV activities such as teleporting to other maps or completing your daily quests. I've also not accounted for the period of time where no Fates spawn in your target area which can happen quite frequently.

Now remember that that's 41 hours of utter mindless grind. Running low level content. With maybe a tiny pool of gil and seals as compensation. How can any SANE player consider that to be enjoyable? It's not even as though you can level up another class during this grind since everything has to be done with the job equipping the Zenith! So you're forced to take this on your level 50 job which get's nothing out of it.

[16bitBounty]

When are they faster? Took me a twice as long to do Animus as Atma and I did a book a day, Yesterday I did two books.

[JonBigwood]

When are they faster? Took me a twice as long to do Animus as Atma and I did a book a day, Yesterday I did two books.

Before the last patch with a lot of myth tomes dropping easier, each book would take 2 or 3 days to do, farming myth tomes and then doing the book. This means over a month for the animus.

About atmas, in my case I used to have 1 or two atmas drop per week, twice I had 0 per week and twice 3 per week. (I did my daily roulettes for tomes and farmed atmas, not farmed atmas full time.) Friends doing atmas at the same time, more dedicated, were just a bit quicker. That's why I think atma drop has been increased. People don't spend months doing the atmas now.

Conclusion: now it is much quicker than it used to be, not only atmas but also animus. And Novus. Alexandrites are also much easier to get with the myth tomes that accumulate at high speed with hunts and roulettes, plus the daily expert roulette for the map. Materia prices are other thing for some classes.