Is BLM truly simple?

[Mjytresz]

The minimizing movement aspect is actually a bit more complex than that. Most movement in the game can be handled in one of one ways:

1) Move.

That's my point. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
Dodging is a simple concept - Avoid the attack.

It becomes ridiculous when you're averaging out fractions of a second to try and "measure up" your DPS.
I forgot the extra 4 seconds saved on Titan EX was the difference between a wipe and a victory. Thank God our BLM graduated from Yale with a Master's in Pixel Dodging.

How are GL stacks more complicated than UI/AF?

Probably because MNK can't just blow Fire III to get full AF stacks back.
Or are we actually assuming the 10+ seconds of regaining GL stacks is as easy as the 2s cast time of Fire III?
Nevermind...

[Mister-Wonderful]

Good BLMs don't have problems with movement. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

SMN has to work a lot harder to get the same or slightly less DPS than BLM on most turns, and on T8 SMN has to deal with a limited resource (MP) where BLM does not.

This is a given. Blm still has to manage how and when they move, if there is movement. Even in movement heavy fights I do excellent DPS because I know how to play the job, when movement may be required of me, and how to react to it while still doing damage.

I don't find SMN any harder at all, its a rotation just like any other job, keep the dot's up. I have done SMN and BLM in all turns (Only doing blm lately due to nexus things, used to only use it in t8) And the resource is hardly limited when you have shorter and shorter fights, occasional ballad for the healers, and MP pots on backup.

[Sleigh]

That's my point. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
Dodging is a simple concept - Avoid the attack.

Sure, ignore all the stuff I posted. Just dodge everything as it comes, don't pre-plan everything - you'll be the worst DPS in any turn you gotta move a lot. That's not how any self-respecting BLM wants to help their team.

[StouterTaru]

Probably because MNK can't just blow Fire III to get full AF stacks back.
Or are we actually assuming the 10+ seconds of regaining GL stacks is as easy as the 2s cast time of Fire III?
Nevermind...

So taking longer to build up makes it more complicated?

Plus they don't have to alternate between Greased Lightning and Slimy Water, that would be insanely complicated.

[Mjytresz]

Sure, ignore all the stuff I posted. Just dodge everything as it comes, don't pre-plan everything - you'll be the worst DPS in any turn you gotta move a lot. That's not how any self-respecting BLM wants to help their team.

Sorry, I didn't sign up for "Advanced Dodging Mechanics 501".
Also, let's ignore the "positioning" bit I mentioned on the last page.

Yea, losing a handful of DPS because I didn't explicitly plan out dodging for the entirety of the fight is going to end up taking an extra half hour to clear a boss.
I'm not even sure why this is being discussed. FF14 isn't a hard MMO. If this was Tera and you were getting one-shotted for not dodging and knowing the dozens of one-shot mechanics, I'd understand. But, really, the "Move out of the glowing circle with 30 minute cast time" game isn't the proper place to try and throw around an elitest attitude.
Especially not on completely optional content.

So taking longer to build up makes it more complicated?

Plus they don't have to alternate between Greased Lightning and Slimy Water, that would be insanely complicated.

Taking longer to build up, managing CDs, DoTs, Debuffs, and the sheer fact that as melee you're more vulnerable than ranged for the vast majority of content?
Oh and the whole "I can't instantly get GL3 with a 2s cast skill" bit.

But let's pretend like BLM has more going for it than "Predict regen ticks" and Thunder.
Legit.

[Sleigh]

Yea, losing a handful of DPS because I didn't explicitly plan out dodging for the entirety of the fight is going to end up taking an extra half hour to clear a boss.
I'm not even sure why this is being discussed. FF14 isn't a hard MMO. If this was Tera and you were getting one-shotted for not dodging and knowing the dozens of one-shot mechanics, I'd understand. But, really, the "Move out of the glowing circle with 30 minute cast time" game isn't the proper place to try and throw around an elitest attitude.

What about when we're not overgeared for content again? Or just straight up learning content? Everyone who calls this game super easy seems to forget the non-Savage content was tuned for i90-i95 to clear reasonably, including T9; the good groups were beating T9 with average item levels sub-100, plenty of them with i95 weapons. Those groups were the ones with GOOD DPS, not slackers who took fights as they come. What gear were you when you cleared T9?

[StouterTaru]

Taking longer to build up, managing CDs, DoTs, Debuffs, and the sheer fact that as melee you're more vulnerable than ranged for the vast majority of content?
Oh and the whole "I can't instantly get GL3 with a 2s cast skill" bit.

But let's pretend like BLM has more going for it than "Predict regen ticks" and Thunder.
Legit.

OK, we can pretend that monk has more going for it than punch-rotate-punch while we're at it. You have to hit 2 buttons to get GL3, and not only that, you have to hit the second one three times!

[Xisin]

isn't the proper place to try and throw around an elitest attitude.
Especially not on completely optional content.

you lost me when you said that, like that makes no sense at all lol, I'd imagine an elitist attitude doesnt belong in non-optional (read super easy) content. Either way there is a bit of tight management in order to play optimally. Things like Sleigh discussed that I won't bother repeating. Whether you like it or not there is a large damage variance across different demographics of players, obviously it isn't so simple anyone can do it.

[Grotesque]

Those groups were the ones with GOOD DPS, not slackers who took fights as they come. What gear were you when you cleared T9?

Only because a handful of ppl cleared it with this gear, doesn't mean it is tuned to that ilvl. But if this thinking assists your self-confidence, so may it be...

Only the devs know for which ilvl they tuned it. However, it seems peeps always try to find their little niche where they can feel superior lol xD

[Sen_Terrechant]

Only because a handful of ppl cleared it with this gear, doesn't mean it is tuned to that ilvl. But if this thinking assists your self-confidence, so may it be...

Only the devs know for which ilvl they tuned it. However, it seems peeps always try to find their little niche where they can feel superior lol xD

Its not a niche. If you cleared it with a far lower ilvl then most people, isnt that the definition of superior?

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