Atma thread #736,238 (No triggers in this one I promise)

[Lord_Zlatan]

not sure if being snarky...

For the record, perhaps in this thread or another, I don't really believe peoples horror stories about atmas. Like I said I got my first set in 5 days, second set has taken near 3 months, with me giving up at some point... Ill resume when I feel up to it.

The point about atma for most people is that every other step in the relic quest allows you to net some kind of progress with a guarantee... all of the HM primals, while very hard at the time, 100% drop their infusion items. Animus: you know how much myth you need, enemies, you need to kill and it is all quite literally spelled out for you in a book. Novus: your guaranteed 1 alexandrite a day barring you can solo the enemies within the coffer.

Atma doesn't offer you any kind of guarantee whatsoever. I am not calling for absolute virtue/pandaemonium warden of the whatever to drop atmas. What I'm calling for is a retooling of a system that SE has put in place (go out in the open world and slay enemies that were worthy of the warriors of light). Just like alexandrite, you can get a guaranteed one from an S rank, or you can farm fates all you want. at least you will know that at the end of the day, when the S rank gets called on your hunt LS, you will get your atma.

Also, Ooshima, tying in AV/PW would insinuate that S ranks are hard... is that really what you are saying?

[Ooshima]

For the record, perhaps in this thread or another, I don't really believe peoples horror stories about atmas. Like I said I got my first set in 5 days, second set has taken near 3 months, with me giving up at some point... Ill resume when I feel up to it.

The point about atma for most people is that every other step in the relic quest allows you to net some kind of progress with a guarantee... all of the HM primals, while very hard at the time, 100% drop their infusion items. Animus: you know how much myth you need, enemies, you need to kill and it is all quite literally spelled out for you in a book. Novus: your guaranteed 1 alexandrite a day barring you can solo the enemies within the coffer.

Atma doesn't offer you any kind of guarantee whatsoever. I am not calling for absolute virtue/pandaemonium warden of the whatever to drop atmas. What I'm calling for is a retooling of a system that SE has put in place (go out in the open world and slay enemies that were worthy of the warriors of light). Just like alexandrite, you can get a guaranteed one from an S rank, or you can farm fates all you want. at least you will know that at the end of the day, when the S rank gets called on your hunt LS, you will get your atma.

Also, Ooshima, tying in AV/PW would insinuate that S ranks are hard... is that really what you are saying?

Horror stories about Atmas does exist but the truth is that they remain a minority of the total, despite all the rants you hear on forums/reddit - because the vocal ones are the affected ones. Most of the people I know in game face average RNG with regards to Atma.

My response to you earlier, while with some sarcasm inside, wasn't exactly targeting at you or anyone specific. Of course it wasn't entirely meant to be a joke either - I do agree that the lore and the activities asked of us is a mismatch - the idea of obtaining souls of the fallen enemies slain by the legendary twelves... but we are slaying trash mobs under our level cap is kind of rubbish.

At the same time, you hear complaints about how Relic is a side quest thing without a challenge and just mindless grinding if easy content. True enough. S ranks aren't even tough. You can give it +HP 1000% and +dmg 1000% and it will still be zerg'd down, just in larger numbers (whether server will crash or not is another issue).

If want people want of the quest to be lesser RNG and with some challenge, then maybe some HNMs type battle would meet their taste? Make it non server-zerg-able - it must be claimed by an alliance of 24 and once claimed, only the alliance can battle it, just like levelquests. But it will not be any easy battle (and thus I quote Absolute Virtue - because the time people spend battling it before the nerf is as good as the horror stories of the time people grinded per atma) because it would guarantee an Atma drop.

Then your more casual players who are the majority source of income for SE will cry.

At the end, there is no one solution that fit all. You would probably always end up with a solution that would fit the majority but there would be a group of minority seemed handicapped.

[SDaemon]

Horror stories about Atmas does exist but the truth is that they remain a minority of the total

A majority or minority cannot be determined because not everyone is being vocal about the issue. Atma horror stories exist because of the system in place.

[reality_check]

There's nothing preventing anyone from getting 12 atmas aside from their own lack of tenacity. There's no comparison between atmas and pandemonium warden.

[SDaemon]

All the tenacity in the world doesn't guarantee you atma drops, but you are right they don't compare because they are completely different situations.

[Synestr]

Some folks are just sour by nature...

[Coatl]

For those that begrudge the atma farm, do you have the achievement for completing 1000 Fates?

If yes, then I'm really sorry. You truly are unlucky.
If not, then I'm also sorry. You haven't grinded enough!

[SDaemon]

For those that begrudge the atma farm, do you have the achievement for completing 1000 Fates?

If yes, then I'm really sorry. You truly are unlucky.
If not, then I'm also sorry. You haven't grinded enough!

Really? People need to grind over 1000 FATEs to meet your required standard in order to complain? Not that the achievement means anything, especially if you already had it before the atma grind.

[AirGearIkki]

I would rather have Atmas as a item that can be sold on the market board lol XD