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    Problems with ST queue taking a long time for tanks

    ST queues are very long for tanks 30min to 1 hour on average.

    In ST the party make up is, 1 tank, 2 healers, and 5 dps per party x 3. The problem with this is it deviates from all the other 8 man content in FFXIV that is 2 tanks 2 healers and 4 dps. With so few tank spots to fit in all the tanks that normally play this game makes us have a really long wait compared to healers and dps.

    Suggestion make change the party set up back to 2 tanks 2 healers, 4 dps like it was in the original crystal tower. The queue time for tanks was much lower and more reasonable wait of 1-10 min.
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    Tank is usually the class most needed to fill the queues. Take a look at your queue next time you're stuck waiting. Bet it'll be because another tank is needed in the other parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urthdigger View Post
    Tank is usually the class most needed to fill the queues. Take a look at your queue next time you're stuck waiting. Bet it'll be because another tank is needed in the other parties.
    I am talking about ST not other queues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    I am talking about ST not other queues.
    Yeah. I know. The 24 man instance that requires THREE tanks. You know it needs to be more than just your own party that's full of people to enter right?
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    As a tank, I know it sucks. But to be honest, it's pretty much the only queue that isn't instant for us.

    ST with 6 tanks would just be retarded. You hardly need more than one tank for the entire raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxion View Post
    As a tank, I know it sucks. But to be honest, it's pretty much the only queue that isn't instant for us.
    This, exactly. Every other queue in the game is quick for us. We are in no way entitled to ask for such a change to be made. Just tough it out like the DPS do for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    This, exactly. Every other queue in the game is quick for us. We are in no way entitled to ask for such a change to be made. Just tough it out like the DPS do for once.
    Not to mention Syrcus Tower just feels better than Labyrinth of the Ancients did. 6 tanks in a raid felt really forced, whereas I'll admit 3 tanks to a 24-man raid feels more....natural for lack of better words.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
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    The queues feel that long for dps as well. I've waited no more than 20-25 min as a tank for ST, but it can easily be pushed to 45 min on dps due to member withdrawals. Make sure not to mark the "join in progress" checkbox when queuing as a tank since it always feels like it holds off on matching you up with a "new" group until you've reached a time threshold.

    It's easy to get spoiled by the insta-queues for tanks, but you are definitely not entitled to a wait free experience. In fact, maybe longer queues are just what's needed to humble certain players who constantly ask to be kicked or kick someone in order to leave without penalty so they can insta-queue again for a different dungeon/party from the roulette.
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    Aye. In full support.

    But why stop at two tanks in a party?

    I suggest 3 tanks, 1 Healer, and 4 dps. Doing so will give the tank community not good but great fast ques for ST!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gextiv View Post
    Aye. In full support.

    But why stop at two tanks in a party?

    I suggest 3 tanks, 1 Healer, and 4 dps. Doing so will give the tank community not good but great fast ques for ST!
    Forgive me if this is being sarcastic and all, I can't tell but there's no reason you need 9 tanks in ST.
    Not only that you've shafted healers, you need 2 healers in ST. If you get froze for example in the Scylla part and being the only healer, you're screwed.
    Also, they stopped with 1 per party because ST doesn't really have any mechanics that requires you to tank swap.
    I also think it's because it helps queue times with lack of tanks to start.
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