Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Noshpan]

This seems to be a deflection of his original question.

Example: Did 10 cumulative fates pop across those 10 hours? You could track your personal rate of fate completions through your achievements, assuming you haven't capped at 3000 yet.

That's assuming that only 1 FATE popped per hour. There were far, far more than 10 FATEs to have popped during that 10 hour stint. Dozens. I stopped counting after 80-something FATEs in that zone. The only FATE in Lower La Noscea that comes close to being like one that only spawns every so many hours is that mandragora prince that spawns near Candle-something Whatever.

But thanks for trying to belittle the effort I put in just for that one single Atma that I had horrible RNG and luck with. Thanks for belittle everyone whom have not been so lucky as to be able to get all 12 Atma in 14 hours.

[Aegis]

You are far far more likely to put in 3 weeks worth of atma farming and not have a complete set than you are to never get a T3 materia ever. Sorry.

Of course, that goes without saying. But you can't just say "It's pure RNG" and imply that means we can't make decent predictions about incidence rates. The odds of someone spending 4 hours a day for 3 weeks hitting every FATE that pops in their zone and not getting a full set of Atma is tiny. Exactly how tiny, we don't know because we don't know the drop rate (appears to be 4-5% depending which sources you use) but for 99% of the population you can rule it out.

[SDaemon]

Of course, that goes without saying. But you can't just say "It's pure RNG" and imply that means we can't make decent predictions about incidence rates. The odds of someone spending 4 hours a day for 3 weeks hitting every FATE that pops in their zone and not getting a full set of Atma is tiny. Exactly how tiny, we don't know because we don't know the drop rate (appears to be 4-5% depending which sources you use) but for 99% of the population you can rule it out.

I would wager its much lower than 4-5%. The odds of them grinding for 4 hours straight each day for 3 weeks, yes they will come across atma stones I'm not arguing that, however the likelihood of them not getting a full set is not nearly as tiny as you believe.

[Aegis]

I would wager its much lower than 4-5%. The odds of them grinding for 4 hours straight each day for 3 weeks, yes they will come across atma stones I'm not arguing that, however the likelihood of them not getting a full set is not nearly as tiny as you believe.

I can only go by what I see in game, no-one I know who's actually put the effort in has taken more than two weeks at most. I know some for whom it's been longer but they were only doing it between DF pops or only on weekends. Even those didn't take that long, either.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Artificial difficulty
Atma: FATEs for an undetermined amount of time to get randomly dropped items to recolor your relic, with no stat increase. No real payoff.
Animus: Do a bunch of tasks to gradually increase stats. Measurable progress with stat increases.
Novus: Dailies and myth tomes for maps. Stat increase and customizability. Speed is determined mostly by how hard you work to collect alexandrite.
Nexus: You do a bunch of endgame stuff. Speed at which you get it is determined entirely by how hard you work at it. Measurable progress. Increased stats and iLevel, as well as bitching new design.
Atma has no business giving players such a hard time. Every other relic step is semi-commensurate to the reward, with stat increases, tangible progress, and content that is semi-engaging.
The atma step should either be removed entirely, or the base atma relic should be an i95 weapon with i95 stats with the number of animus books reduced to compensate and the drop rate of atmas increased.

[Duuude007]

But thanks for trying to belittle the effort I put in just for that one single Atma that I had horrible RNG and luck with. Thanks for belittle everyone whom have not been so lucky as to be able to get all 12 Atma in 14 hours.

Whoa now. I just listed 1 example, as you were, and remain, rather vague of how many it truly took, which was his initial question. How is that 'belittling'?

I worked the Atmas just like many of the people here who disagree with the OP. And it took awhile... certainly. I still don't see why this is a game design problem, largely because its not like ANY end content requires it. You can bypass it completely and still have potential to excel against any opponent.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Whoa now. I just listed 1 example, as you were, and remain, rather vague of how many it truly took, which was his initial question. How is that 'belittling'?

I worked the Atmas just like many of the people here who disagree with the OP. And it took awhile... certainly. I still don't see why this is a game design problem, largely because its not like ANY end content requires it. You can bypass it completely and still have potential to excel against any opponent.

Just because it's optional doesn't make it a serious game design flaw. No other relic step has the potential to be a pain in the ass that much with absolutely zero payoff like the atma step. Mostly because the atma step is the only step that gives you absolutely nothing of value. That is seriously poor game design. I mean, yes, it does allow you to continue on to the next step, but that doesn't really count considering every relic step does that. There's nothing preventing them from reworking the atma step by increasing the drop rate, or making it so that the base Atma weapon has better stats than the Zenith weapon, or just removing it altogether. I wouldn't have such a problem with it if the Atmas actually got you something better than your zenith.

[Divine_Intervention]

I guess that's why I pointed out "Joined FORUMS" in June, which means you weren't here when they addressed the issue.

So nice try making it seem like I don't know what I'm saying.

and you assume i didn't have a forum account on my original service account? *rolls eyes*

[Duuude007]

No other relic step has the potential to be a pain in the ass that much with absolutely zero payoff like the atma step.

Ehh, sort of. But also no.

Step 1-11 of Atma is a pain in the ass with zero payoff.
Step 12 of Atma rewards a new look, a new ilv and the ability to begin primary stat growth.
Walls: Patience

Step 1-74 of Novus is a pain in the ass with zero payoff.
Step 75 of Novus rewards a new look, a new ilv and the end result of the customized secondary stats.
Walls: Patience and Gil

Step 0-9 of Nexus is a pain in the ass with zero payoff.
Step 10 of Nexus rewards a new look, a new ilv and A small boost of Novus stats.
Walls: Patience and role competency

Looking at these 3 examples, the Atma stage gives the more relevant boosts to the weapon (apart from weapon damage tied to ilv). And still, each of these offers a different way to slow the process. RNG for atma, time/myth grind for Novus, and instance grind for nexus.

Each with a different style of patience and diligence needed to complete.

What makes Atma stand out? Mirrors have plenty of RNG on their droprate, so they are rather similar. T9 weapons are much more accessible, but still, rng is a factor in what drops and who can roll on it.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Step 1-11-

A several hour grind for a new look on your weapon is stupid, the iLevel is useless, Making me grind to unlock another grind without anything in between is not a reward.
No other step in the relic quest makes you grind so you can grind again before rewarding you.

Step 1-74-

Don't change the definition of a step. Each step except Zenith -> Atma in the relic questline has given some statistical boost to the weapon

Looking at these-

That is impossible as that step gives literally no boost to the weapon.

What makes Atma-

Using a mirror on your weapon buffs it. Using atmas on your zenith does not. Only the animus books do, making the atma grind an unnecessary step and a horrible choice in game design. It should be nerfed and have the base atma buffed to i95.

T9-

There is a huge difference in rolling on a drop which will upgrade you and grinding for hours on end for atmas that will not upgrade your weapon.