Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[neko_miyuu]

If you don't like Atma, don't do it. You don't need a relic weapon. Just use the alternatives rather than trying to force them to change content that wasn't designed for you. It's nice to have long term goals to work toward in this game.

Long term goal yes, but only for one stage. Like Gallus said, the whole process to get your relic up to date is obscene (Zenith-Atma-Animus-Novus and now Nexus). I play during all my free time, that's almost every night and all weekends, didn't get a single atma so I decided to grind i110 gear and EX primal instead.

For a player that starts his relic, he now will never get it, because of how soon the next step arrives. So yes, it is nice to have a long-term goal when you're at the highest level and a new one comes up (Novus to Nexus), but like they eased the CT 1 and Binding Coil, they should also ease ATMA to let time to new players or slow ones like me a chance to catch up.

[Magis]

Fix implies something was broken. There isn't really anything to fix.

[Amused]

Long term goal yes, but only for one stage. Like Gallus said, the whole process to get your relic up to date is obscene (Zenith-Atma-Animus-Novus and now Nexus). I play during all my free time, that's almost every night and all weekends, didn't get a single atma so I decided to grind i110 gear and EX primal instead.

For a player that starts his relic, he now will never get it, because of how soon the next step arrives. So yes, it is nice to have a long-term goal when you're at the highest level and a new one comes up (Novus to Nexus), but like they eased the CT 1 and Binding Coil, they should also ease ATMA to let time to new players or slow ones like me a chance to catch up.

If you want to catch up, put in the work to do it. Don't ask them for handouts. You have plenty of other weapons you can use to catch up in item level.

This is purely a "they have shiny thing and I want it too, but I don't want to have to work for it like they did" situation.

Be grateful you don't have to speed run Brayflox hard mode for myth to do the books. That was far worse than Atma ever could have dreamed of being.

[MrLeonheart]

Still not sure why people are so ardently opposed to making the worst designed, least beneficial step in the whole relic chain less of a slog.

[SDaemon]

If you want to catch up, put in the work to do it. Don't ask them for handouts. You have plenty of other weapons you can use to catch up in item level.

This is purely a "they have shiny thing and I want it too, but I don't want to have to work for it like they did" situation.

Be grateful you don't have to speed run Brayflox hard mode for myth to do the books. That was far worse than Atma ever could have dreamed of being.

No one is asking for handouts -_-

[Amused]

Still not sure why people are so ardently opposed to making the worst designed, least beneficial step in the whole relic chain less of a slog.

You may not like it, but it is not poorly designed. It fulfills the purpose it was intended to perfectly, which was to get people doing FATEs.

[Amused]

No one is asking for handouts -_-

But that's exactly what they're asking for. Hence the wanting to "catch up" bit that people reiterate in these threads.

We all know full well that even though the other stages have gotten easier because of increased tome rates, the moment Atma is nerfed, people will be crying for them to nerf other steps as well. This is exactly what happens every time without fail. It's never just one thing and that's it. They'll move to the next thing they're too lazy to put in the work for after they get what they want.

[MrLeonheart]

You may not like it, but it is not poorly designed. It fulfills the purpose it was intended to perfectly, which was to get people doing FATEs.

I'm willing to say that there is a distinct difference between something fulfilling it's intended function and something being well designed. In the case of the Atma grind, you are absolutely right. It fulfills its intended function of getting people to do a thing that the development team has even acknowledged that a lot of people dislike having linked to progress. The bad design kicks in when you realize that there is no hard upper limit on the number of FATEs you will have to do to get even one Atma, let alone all twelve. It makes little sense at this point not to relax the grind for this stage, and this stage only. The other stages are fine and serve very nicely as a long term goal with actual, trackable progress. But you still have the Atma grind, and the very concept of a potentially (though I will allow highly improbably) endless grind just to get to the entry level of the upgrade chain is kind of unattractive.

Hell, if nothing else it'll get people over this hurdle so they can stop moaning about it and start moaning about the Animus books.

[Amused]

Hell, if nothing else it'll get people over this hurdle so they can stop moaning about it and start moaning about the Animus books.

Thanks for reinforcing the point I was making against making Atma easier.

[MrLeonheart]

Thanks for reinforcing the point I was making against making Atma easier.

Tome grinding and following some vague, only tangentially related steps from a book for a few stat points on my weapon every week is something I can get behind. Unfortunately I happen to agree with a whole lot of people that the Atma portion is just plain not enjoyable vOv