Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Aegis]

12 atma cannot be easily done in that time, it can be done. But saying it is easy or difficult ignores the fact that it is RNG.

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

[SDaemon]

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

[Aegis]

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

And RNG also means the entire server never makes another Tier III materia again meaning no-one will ever get another relic. It's statistically unlikely, but possible. Just like putting in three weeks' worth of FATE farming and not getting a full Atma set.

[SDaemon]

You are far far more likely to put in 3 weeks worth of atma farming and not have a complete set than you are to never get a T3 materia ever. Sorry.

[Aegis]

You are far far more likely to put in 3 weeks worth of atma farming and not have a complete set than you are to never get a T3 materia ever. Sorry.

Of course, that goes without saying. But you can't just say "It's pure RNG" and imply that means we can't make decent predictions about incidence rates. The odds of someone spending 4 hours a day for 3 weeks hitting every FATE that pops in their zone and not getting a full set of Atma is tiny. Exactly how tiny, we don't know because we don't know the drop rate (appears to be 4-5% depending which sources you use) but for 99% of the population you can rule it out.

[SDaemon]

Of course, that goes without saying. But you can't just say "It's pure RNG" and imply that means we can't make decent predictions about incidence rates. The odds of someone spending 4 hours a day for 3 weeks hitting every FATE that pops in their zone and not getting a full set of Atma is tiny. Exactly how tiny, we don't know because we don't know the drop rate (appears to be 4-5% depending which sources you use) but for 99% of the population you can rule it out.

I would wager its much lower than 4-5%. The odds of them grinding for 4 hours straight each day for 3 weeks, yes they will come across atma stones I'm not arguing that, however the likelihood of them not getting a full set is not nearly as tiny as you believe.

[Aegis]

I would wager its much lower than 4-5%. The odds of them grinding for 4 hours straight each day for 3 weeks, yes they will come across atma stones I'm not arguing that, however the likelihood of them not getting a full set is not nearly as tiny as you believe.

I can only go by what I see in game, no-one I know who's actually put the effort in has taken more than two weeks at most. I know some for whom it's been longer but they were only doing it between DF pops or only on weekends. Even those didn't take that long, either.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Artificial difficulty
Atma: FATEs for an undetermined amount of time to get randomly dropped items to recolor your relic, with no stat increase. No real payoff.
Animus: Do a bunch of tasks to gradually increase stats. Measurable progress with stat increases.
Novus: Dailies and myth tomes for maps. Stat increase and customizability. Speed is determined mostly by how hard you work to collect alexandrite.
Nexus: You do a bunch of endgame stuff. Speed at which you get it is determined entirely by how hard you work at it. Measurable progress. Increased stats and iLevel, as well as bitching new design.
Atma has no business giving players such a hard time. Every other relic step is semi-commensurate to the reward, with stat increases, tangible progress, and content that is semi-engaging.
The atma step should either be removed entirely, or the base atma relic should be an i95 weapon with i95 stats with the number of animus books reduced to compensate and the drop rate of atmas increased.