Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Ehayte]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass, as most people have all the sol gear they want for their main jobs (I have my tanks and my monk fully Sol geared aside from the few pieces of HA I have, screw coil RNG but that's another story).

If the Relic weapon gave you anything aside from a marginally better weapon than you can get by doing ST and Hullbreaker Isle, it would be a different story. For instance, if I could link a MNK Nexus to my hot bar and activate it once every 2.5 minutes for a 15 second 2x magnification of my current stance (FoF, FoW, FoE), I'd grind it, because that would be something that I cannot get anywhere else. Or a 15 second 700% increase to MND on my PLD every 3 minutes so I could use Cure for a few seconds effectively. As it stands, if you are an extreme min/maxer, willing to spend a butt-load of time, or a butt-load of gil, you can get a...iunno 1.5% increase in your DPS by getting your Nexus weap over your HA? Or Novus over unweathered?

Its just not a good time : reward ratio.

[Amused]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass, as most people have all the sol gear they want for their main jobs (I have my tanks and my monk fully Sol geared aside from the few pieces of HA I have, screw coil RNG but that's another story).

Relic is not supposed to be as accessible as other gear. That's the whole reason why that other gear exists in the first place. If relic was fast and easy there would be no need to even make any new weapons other than for vanity purposes.

[Aegis]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass.

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

[SDaemon]

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

12 atma cannot be easily done in that time, it can be done. But saying it is easy or difficult ignores the fact that it is RNG.

[Aegis]

12 atma cannot be easily done in that time, it can be done. But saying it is easy or difficult ignores the fact that it is RNG.

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

[SDaemon]

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

[Aegis]

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

And RNG also means the entire server never makes another Tier III materia again meaning no-one will ever get another relic. It's statistically unlikely, but possible. Just like putting in three weeks' worth of FATE farming and not getting a full Atma set.

[SDaemon]

You are far far more likely to put in 3 weeks worth of atma farming and not have a complete set than you are to never get a T3 materia ever. Sorry.

[Sholah]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. The UAT weapons are what you fall back on while waiting to upgrade your relic or get that Coil drop. Not everything in this game needs to be given to you so easily. Have you people ever heard of effort and dedication? Have you ever actually worked for anything?

[Ehayte]

Relic is not supposed to be as accessible as other gear. That's the whole reason why that other gear exists in the first place. If relic was fast and easy there would be no need to even make any new weapons other than for vanity purposes.

Why is it not as accessible? For the bragging rights to say you have it? Not worth it, subjectively. That's all I'm saying.

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

And then 9 myth books, and then 75 alexandrite and 8mil gil to get your materia.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. . .

Why? Because it glows?

Look, all I am saying is that when I take a step back and look at the total amount of hours needed to obtain the Relic Novus or Nexus, versus the total hours to get an unweathered Sol weap in today's current game, it is comically unbalanced. Relic is the only thing that takes any amount of real effort, and its not worth it.