Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Divine_Intervention]

snippety

Joined forums in June.. joined game at ps3 release with a different character.. so yeah.. good job for trying to throw peoples join dates around xD

Spent farming? On one atma i spent 3 weeks before a single drop..
8 whole hours for your atma ? HOWEVER did you manage? Oh yeah right.. your one of the very vast minority whom it's been simple enough for and therefore feel justified being vainglorious.
I have never intended disrespect, only observation. Go read the forums yourself for information on "liked threads being noticed more by developers".

So, thanks for your input, have a nice day

And for those asking for a No option, I didn't make this as a Poll, i made it as a place people who agree can like it. I'm sorry, but I've seen enough people jumping down members throats for daring to ask for a change to what is essentially a crappy system.

Ilvl 90 Zenith > Ilvl 100 Atma , no stat upgrade.. can take anything from ??? to ??? hours/days/weeks etc.
Fresh Level 50 > ilvl 90.. an hour or so of farming hunts.
Atma > Animus - a very reasonable, progressable grind.
Animus > Novus - A little more difficult/time consuming (farming gil, back to farming hunts), but still reasonable.
Novus > Nexus - I don't completley understand this system, but AFAIK, grind dungeons etc for light, still reasonable.

P.S for those telling me to stop moaning on here.. i have actually completed my atma for the class i enjoy. Once again, per other posts on atma i have made, i DON'T mind a justifiable, reasonable and measurable grind, as I'm sure many who agree with the OP feel.

[Exstal]

Let me know when you make a thread that advocates nerfing Animus. I'll be all over that.

[Purrfectstorm]

It took me over 10 hours to farm the Atma of the Fish for one character of mine. For another character, he's still working on his a combined 24 hours of farming for the Atma that drops in Western Thanalan. This is not hyperbole. I actually spent 10 hours farming for a single Atma. I've had to take breaks from Atma farming in order to keep what remains of my sanity.

The RNG can provide swift results for some people, or the extreme opposite for others. And when the results are painfully slow, it just doesn't feel rewarding.

So while I'm not against RNG, I would not complain if they were to adjust the RNG to be less frustrating in the case of Atma.

I don't like references to "hours" spent farming. Your odds aren't on a per hour basis. They're on a per FATE one. How many FATES did you do? It took me 360 FATES for my 1st Atma weapon. Decided to work on a 2nd and I've been pretty lucky so far: 5 Atma in 40 FATES.

My point is just that maybe some of the people for whom it takes so many hours actually aren't very fast at getting from FATE to FATE. That could definitely skew the numbers. For me personally, it's never taken more than 5 hours for a single ATMA (it was about 150 FATES). The drop rate seems to be about 3% so if you were on average doing 10-20 FATEs an hour, it wouldn't take you more than 3 hours per ATMA or 36 hours for all 12.

These are just estimates and of course there might be outliers (heck I myself could be a lucky outlier) but regardless time spent is still irrelevant, it just makes fast FATE grinders seem "lucky" when in reality they might be getting to more FATEs. Anyway, whether or not this is an outrageous time investment is entirely subjective. My personal opinion is no but I admit I might feel differently if I was slow at running FATEs and it took me twice the amount of time.

[kingatlas]

that's what I always tell people. Chasing down higher level fates doesn't, help you stick to the low level ones in the areas where you can because they finish much faster (like WLN). You goal is to hit as many fates as you can, not see how many hours you can wander around.

If your chasing fates in the back of a far area like east shroud you are doing it wrong.

Everyone always says, I grinded 8 hours str8 or whatever, but it wasn't str8. washroom, food, smoke, ect.

Just hit as many fates as you can, its not that bad, plus you can use those GC seal to send your retainers out to farm shards, and sell them on MB to make good cash while you are chasing the Atma.

And to be honest, if you don't like Atma don't continue the rest, because its not any better from there on.
Find another option that you like and have fun.

[Maero]

Some get an atma in the first FATE in the zone, then the next atma after 50 FATEs

I'm sure, if everyone add only the time they spend with FATEs and the time they spend to travel between the FATEs (and not the time they spend with standing around) and at the end divide it with 12 they come to a similar time (+/- some hours)

not even close as for the atma grind i have always moved from fate to fate so really no standing around. I wanted those darn things just that much.

Some can get ALL atmas in 100 fates or less while others 500 or more. Atma simply should never have been implemented in fates to begin with, as practically every new content involves fates, which some have argued it's for level 50's to help lower level players out but many players just do log, dungeons, etc.
Anyhow to op this thread started as a like thread and such but seems it got derailed yet again by those that got full weapons within a week or less of grinding

[Divine_Intervention]

Yep pretty much Maero. I can only hope people will keep it alive and keep the likes going on it. We are a majority of players asking for change to a system that just plain doesn't fit. Thanks for your time in answering this thread.

[Havenchild]

This was about average for the 3 sets I farmed. I concede that some may have worse luck and some may have better luck, but overall the drop rate isn't that bad if you just go out there and seriously farm them. Most of the people I know that have problems getting them go out there and expect to get a drop in 20 - 30mins and give up when they don't get it. It was very rare for me to get one in this time frame, usually it would be between 3 - 5 hours for one with some going on well over 10 hours to get. It all averaged out though with the few I got in a couple of fates, but to be honest this was the easiest part of the zenith.

Holy crap I've long since held this opinion on majority of the people complaining about atma. I've known very few people that struggle for anything longer then a week on a set but they put hours upon hours into tackling this content daily. People do expect to farm these for very little time and get one.

Actually grinding FATEs instead of moaning about the drop rate on here.

Surprisingly effective.

[Tsuwu]

Actually grinding FATEs instead of moaning about the drop rate on here.

This.
A million times, this.

I'm 8/12 on my second set, just grinding fates between content.
Maybe 20 hours invested. Tops.
Drop rate is fine.

For every 45 minutes you spend on here complaining the drop rate blows, at least 10 chances at getting an atma vanish.

Also, OP:
Just seeking out people who only agree with you isn't the purpose of a forum, either online or otherwise.
That's what the National Tea Party is for.

[Khyra]

Let me know when you make a thread that advocates nerfing Animus. I'll be all over that.

lol, Animus doesn't need nerfing. Its certainly faster than Atma and Novus.

Atma averaged 6-8 hours per drop (so 70+ hours total), Animus is less than that per book and there are only 9.

[Exstal]

lol, Animus doesn't need nerfing. Its certainly faster than Atma and Novus.

Atma averaged 6-8 hours per drop (so 70+ hours total), Animus is less than that per book and there are only 9.

Atma takes about 2~5 hours per drop and just the fates for the Animus are about that much.