Some suggestions for future end game raiding.

[Raxion]

This argument seems to get brought up every time someone requests lockout change/removal. This whole game promotes loot-selling right now as it is. But by having lockouts, it prevents enjoyment from many people. There have been numerous posts from people about their frustrations of building and/or maintaining a static. People want to help their friends who may only have 5 people.

The good far outweighs the bad by removing or changing lockout rules. Runs get sold right now for everything anyway so I don't agree with that argument. Lockouts don't prevent sales.

Lockouts don't prevent them, but they massively limit them. Sell one run a week with lockouts (while also giving up your own chance at loot for the week), or sell 18 runs a day without them. Surely you can do simple math.

With no lockouts, most people would finish new content within a much shorter time than they do now. This isn't good for the health of the game. With SE giving us only 4 boss encounters per major patch, unlocking the current raid tier just isn't a viable option. I understand that people want to raid freely with their friends, but they want to ignore the fact that their suggestion would be exploited to hell and also completely ruin the game's progression raiding.

Every good MMORPG has weekly raid lockouts. It's part of the genre. I just don't understand why so many people choose to complain about it in this game specifically.

[Warlyx]

Coil as instance is "meh" ,feels like FFXIII , just keep going ahead , no way to get lost and scenary is boring....

1 raid with 4 boss for the week is a joke.

in 1 year no1 is going to say , omg remember the days of Coil of bahamuth? (cross fingers for third coil)

i still remember my days on FFXI Sky / sea .

more endgame than the last raid could help, extreme primals (rowena tokens) helped a bit but after farming every weapon there was no point .

more bosses and more dynamic battlefields, tired of fighting bosses on a lame circle ....

2nd coil fights are better , more fun , but i still miss interacting with the enviroment somehow...

[LegendWait]

I was thinking about something that would be cool;
A fight thats like a dps check, kinda where you have to escape some structure that's about to expode and kill mobs that are blocking your path.

[WellGramarye]

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You forgot the wind/earth crystal (I don't remember which it was..) that would drop 100% and be the ONLY drop sometimes.

[Einheri]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to add my thoughts on the matter. First off I don't see the current system changing before the xpac if at all.

Looking back at content progression in 2.0, I think with fewer levels to go through in the xpac a more defined content progression will ensue. As we look back to ARR launch there was a break down in the content progression because Coil was released before CT, and dungeons were almost never used for the gear they dropped but merely as the quickest way to a currency cap.

A few changes I would like in the for future with regards to content progression;
1. Dungeons with useful loot and a max Ilvl sync so they never become completely arbitrary. This would be the entry level for content progression.
2. 3.0 Version of the CT to be the entry point of raiders.
3. For CT add random bonus parameters to trigger extra loot chests a with separate weekly loot lock, i.e. Kill X boss with out killing their minions, don't allow players to be hit by y spell. This would add incentives to get FC/Alliance groups and more teamwork between the parties.
4. Add a CT Hard mode- This (possibly a 8 man version) would allow those who want a more adventure-ish type of raid, with trash (CC) and exploration, varying bosses and mechanics, and non combat encounters. This would have a weekly lock like coil on access instead of weekly allowance on loot like normal CT.
5. 3.0 Coil would continue to have highest Ilvl rewards and relevant content difficulty. Maintains the weekly locks. Increase number of turns to 7-9 bosses per Coil.
6. After completing coil an additional weekly quest would become available, completing the coil with this quest would grant a currency to spend on coil loot that RNG deems you unworthy of. I.E.- 4-6 weekly completions for Accessories, 6-8 for minor armor, 8-10 for major armor, 12-15 for weapon.
7.Savage coil being available in place of regular coil locks, once regular coil is completed. Same amount of rewards and ilvl but the gear should be visually distinct. Dye-able armor, more pointy bits, visual effects on chest and glowing weapons.
8.Sync Max Ilvl for Savage version with that turns max. So having those items/weapons are always an achievement but not gated by time.

Examples of Ilvl progression.
Dungeons= 200 (Max ilvl sync to 210)
Lesser tomes= 205
3.0 CT= 210 Armor
3.0 H-Primals= 210 Accessories and weapons (mixed table)
Crafted gear= 205-215 depending on melds
3.0 CT Hard= 215 Armor
3.0 X-Primals= 215 Accessories and quest for weapons.
Major Tomes= 215
3.0 Coil= 220 with 225 weapons (ilvl's 200 to enter, 210 to be expected)

ILvl Inflation 1;
HM Dungeon= 210 (max ilvl sync to 220)
Lesser Tome= 215
Secont CT= 220 armor
Crafted Gear= 215-225 depending on melds
Second H-CT= 225 armor
X-Primals= 225 accessories. Extra chest with weapon triggered by random extra fight parameter.
Major Tome= 230
Second coil= 240 with 245 Wep (ilvl 220 expected)

Ilvl Inflation 2;
Expert Dungeons=220 (Max ilvl sync to 230)
Lesser Tomes=230
Third CT= 235 Armor
Crafted-235-240 Depending on Melds
Third CT Hard-240 Armor
X-Primals= 240 accessories. Extra chest with weapon triggered by random extra fight parameter.
Major Tomes= 250
Third Coil= 260 with 265 Wep (ilvl 240 expected)

[Alipoprocks]

With no lockouts, most people would finish new content within a much shorter time than they do now. This isn't good for the health of the game. With SE giving us only 4 boss encounters per major patch, unlocking the current raid tier just isn't a viable option.

Every good MMORPG has weekly raid lockouts. It's part of the genre. I just don't understand why so many people choose to complain about it in this game specifically.

In other games with lockouts, you can only level one job. So you have multiple characters. I don't know a single person that plays "other" MMOs and doesn't have multiple characters. When you only have one job or class per character, lockouts for that character makes more sense.

Also, I don't see the point in preventing people (that can actually clear it) from running content as often as they want. People quit, come and go, anyway even with lockouts.

The arguments for lockouts are weak.

[Gucci_Charms]

I don't know what they have in mind as a solution to the lockout and RNG life we deal with weekly.

One of the things I wish I could do, however, was be able to help my other friends, LS, or FC members with their wins. As much as I like hanging out with my static, it would be nice to group with other people you like playing with rather than the other 7 people you are stuck with weekly to clear end-game content.

[zoom]

I'm hoping that they will find a way for coil lockouts... really the only thing that annoys me. I'd like to see simple a flag that if you are in a clear you are flagged as you were in a clear and cannot roll in that turn for loot anymore. Simple as that. Nothing fancy no one drop per week and other weird things... It keeps the same loot progression but also allows for people to help out with training/progression parties.

The issue with this is that a person can ask (buy) a team to do a turn for him to loot... But yep, of course I agree with you for a kind of solution like this.

[Audacity]

coil difficulty is ok the way it is already

hardcore players have enough ego already

while i agree with looking for lockout solution but i dont agree with adding more rewards to savage coil

savage coil was meant to shut up hardcore raiders for challenge but not feeding them more with gears rewards

coil already made people act as elitist jerks showing off in mor dhona

savage coil rewards will make that even worse

they can do same gears with same stats maybe make them dyable at least but not more powerful

I'm sorry but I really disagree with this, if you have the capability to complete the hardest content in the game you deserve to be rewarded. Just because you don't believe you can beat it or can't put the time in. Doesn't mean that should hold back others from getting better loot.

And as for showing off, of course people are going to. You beat the hardest content in the game.

[Crimson-Falcon]

I'm sorry but I really disagree with this, if you have the capability to complete the hardest content in the game you deserve to be rewarded. Just because you don't believe you can beat it or can't put the time in. Doesn't mean that should hold back others from getting better loot.

And as for showing off, of course people are going to. You beat the hardest content in the game.

you know that savage coil was meant for less than 0.5% in whole playerbase