It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Kuwagami]

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I'll stop trying to understand you starting now. Either put some commas and dots here or remain ignored.

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T5 and T9 are untouched.
Also, saying T7 (pre nerf) was harder than T9 is just saying that fights with RNG are harder than fixed fights. They're not. They just ask different reactions and knowledge of the fight.

That was what the thread was initially about before it derailed in the now too many answers it got.

And please, read the OP, even though the words might not have been exactly what I would want them to be now :

=> new raid, normal difficulty and all
=> 3 month after, at next patch, the story mode opens for those who did not manage to win the last part of the raid. Winning a story floor does not allow to enter a "normal" floor after. As an example, T6 story mode would not unlock T7 normal mode but only T7 story mode.

=> 3 month after, new raid. The story mode of the old raid doesn't grant access to the new one. As an example, T9 story mode doesn't grant access to T10 normal mode. You'll have to wait 3 month to get the T10-... in story mode to progress in the story.

no loot, no influence on high end raiders (in the sense which they wouldn't have to play with people not meeting their skill standards. That was a point constantly made back when I made this subject, FIVE month ago), no need to nerf regular coil as there already is the easy way available to progress through the story...

Why people were against that back then is beyond me. Why people are still against that when Alexander is most likely going to follow this path ("easy" mode then challenging mode, while "easy" mode might not be THAT easy) is strange but I don't care anymore. It's happening.

At this point, I'm just wondering why are people constantly saying "be better nub or go watch youtube" when the way they are defending is reaping their right to keep the challenge, and why they're arguing against something that would have achieved what the nerfs are more or less doing now (better access for the masses), while still keeping the challenge raiders supposedly love in regular mode.


But if you truly prefer the nerfs, more power to you.

Just allow me to find that not logic.

[Velhart]

T5 and T9 are untouched.
Also, saying T7 (pre nerf) was harder than T9 is just saying that fights with RNG are harder than fixed fights. They're not. They just ask different reactions and knowledge of the fight.

That was what the thread was initially about before it derailed in the now too many answers it got.

And please, read the OP, even though the words might not have been exactly what I would want them to be now :

I read the OP, it boils down to he wants a hand holding mode for raids when developers for the most part already gave it to you. And yes, most people were stuck on T7 when 2nd Coil was in it's prime. There was more to it than simply RNG. Like someone said, if you really are that determined to not do anything and expect something in return, there is YouTube. Wanting your character in the cut scene however requires effort on your end, so start learning how the fight works.

[Magis]

I read the OP, it boils down to he wants a hand holding mode for raids when developers for the most part already gave it to you. And yes, most people were stuck on T7 when 2nd Coil was in it's prime. There was more to it than simply RNG. Like someone said, if you really are that determined to not do anything and expect something in return, there is YouTube. Wanting your character in the cut scene however requires effort on your end, so start learning how the fight works.

As the hosts on Limit Break Radio said, there has to be money to be made fantasiaing/glamouring as someones character and playing cutscenes for them with "their character' in there. Or better yet, put the cutscenes in the cash shop! /sarcasm.

[Aniero]

As the hosts on Limit Break Radio said, there has to be money to be made fantasiaing/glamouring as someones character and playing cutscenes for them with "their character' in there. Or better yet, put the cutscenes in the cash shop! /sarcasm.

I find it absolutely hysterical that someone read this post and thought we were being super serious about putting Coil cutscenes in the cash shop. Day has been officially made!

[RathSkybreaker]

I find it absolutely hysterical that someone read this post and thought we were being super serious about putting Coil cutscenes in the cash shop. Day has been officially made!

That will be the day I quit the game. lol.

[Dererk]

The way I see it so far is the vast majority dont even want big nerfs on raids only a very small percent do even the people who get frustrated don't want it from what I find.

The OP said he mainly started this nightmare because he felt bad on how frustrated and sad his friend felt because they were mainly dead the while fight. I feel bad about that but that seams more of a selfesteam issue than a reason to demand this.

I do want to see the whole story but I want to have the challenge that makes it worth it.

[Magis]

I find it absolutely hysterical that someone read this post and thought we were being super serious about putting Coil cutscenes in the cash shop. Day has been officially made!

That's what the /sarcasm was for.

YOU are the one saying that. Is nerfed T6 solo able ? no ? your point isn't even one.

Ok, seriously, you've changed what "story mode" coil is like 3 times in this thread. Is it 2nd/1st coil as it is now, or is it soloable, or is it 4 man puggable? You yourself seem to not know what "story mode" should be. You say Alexander will be story mode as T5/T9 is now, but then complain that T5/T9 is too hard and wasn't actually nerfed. Just a reminder, SE never used the term Story Mode, they said it was an easier version. Easier doesn't mean a walk in the park.

Yeah some people do raid for story. And what ? Killed raiding ? It doesn't kill raiding. Those people won't raid more if you force them in a hard mode raid. They'll do it once, ever bother again.

People keep raiding even after seeing the story of that turn, so they can gear up and clear the next bit of content to see more story. It's the carrot on the stick.

petty attacks now ? So low...
I have no savage kills yet because I did not attempt it yet. I've unlocked it though and intend to go there one day. When I get the time. For now I'm happy continuing the journey I started back in T1, which conclusion is in T13. Thank you.
Also you're being confused. Savage failed the carrot part because the rewards is the same than regular coil, thus not being worth the trouble if you want loot. Challenge seekers went there though. For Ramuh, it was because the reward was sub par for its patch. in 2.4 you had i110 ring raining everywhere with coil lock out removal, new i120 rings to replace the old i100 ones, etc... Ramuh Ex was just a hard fight for the sake of it, like savage coil (on a totally different level though).

WAHHH BIG MEANIE MAGIS IS ATTACKING ME. Cut that shit out, I never questioned your skill or your ability to clear content. You yourself said you are at Turn 11 so lack of skill is obv not the case. I was pointing out that due to no extra cutscenes, or no items, you skipped over the hard content and went to Final Coil. Why? Not because it was hard (I assume), but there was literally no motivation or reason to do so. The majority of raiders did this besides those who are looking for the badge of honor. You literally proved my point except framed it around items, while I am framing it around cutscenes.

PS: I love the second people argue against someone asking for easier content, they immediately gain a victim complex. As I said to the other poster, no one is out to get you, but they will argue your point.

T5 was not nerfed after the twister revamp, T9 has not been nerfed. Are you even trying ?
The story mode I talk about is the current nerfed version (with additons for T5/T9 to make them DF-able), and lets the normal mode untouched, no nerfs, no whatever. the nerfs are already here or happening. Please tell me you're just ignoring what I'm saying and solely focus on the "story" part. Please.

T5 was not nerfed, except for the nerf. An echo buff is a nerf last time I checked, allowing you to make mistakes, take more damage, and push phases way faster so you don't have to deal with them as long. You have to do far less twisters now then you had to do at launch. Also don't forget we are nerfing the content every patch ourselves by overgearing.

good luck explaining why there are nerfs to this content once it's no longer relevant gear wise then. Pray enlight me.

Wait, now they are nerfs? Also again, see my first point. Half the time you are saying the current nerfs are actually not nerfs, half the time you are saying they are lol.

[Aniero]

Oh I know that. Still didnt stop them.

[Kuwagami]

Ok, seriously, you've changed what "story mode" coil is like 3 times in this thread. Is it 2nd/1st coil as it is now, or is it soloable, or is it 4 man puggable? You yourself seem to not know what "story mode" should be. You say Alexander will be story mode as T5/T9 is now, but then complain that T5/T9 is too hard and wasn't actually nerfed. Just a reminder, SE never used the term Story Mode, they said it was an easier version. Easier doesn't mean a walk in the park.

I didn't. Or you can provide a quote of me where I say "T5 should be solo content or 4 man puggable". As far as I know (and I've checked back the original discussion for a few pages, to be sure), I never said anything more than "remove instant kill mechanics and reduce a bit hard hitting moves". You know, exactly what they did for T2 and T4, and for T6-8. But not for T5 (despite T5 being a useless wall now) nor T9 (which is STILL relevant as it block's T10 access, so I have no problem of it not being nerfed). I talked about Alexander as SCOB "nerfs + echo included", which means T6-8 mainly as T9 is NOT nerfed (I'll go back at it later)

As for bolded part, I never said it either. T8 now isn't a walk in the park, and while learning it it still takes a fair amount of time. Without echo, many groups wouldn't be able to get through too (I've seen a few fail the timer with current echo and i120 gear)

WAHHH BIG MEANIE MAGIS IS ATTACKING ME. Cut that shit out, I never questioned your skill or your ability to clear content. You yourself said you are at Turn 11 so lack of skill is obv not the case. I was pointing out that due to no extra cutscenes, or no items, you skipped over the hard content and went to Final Coil. Why? Not because it was hard (I assume), but there was literally no motivation or reason to do so. You literally proved my point except framed it around items, while I am framing it around cutscenes.

Assumptions again. I didn't go into savage yet (important part) because I have other things to do, and they take up a lot of my play time. I play by priorities, and right now, my priorities are going to FCoB to know the end of the story I've been fighting for for such a long time, getting my magiteck rod, and that's about it. I don't have time for more. Gonna judge me ? You're free to do so. I'm free to despise your attitude.

T5 was not nerfed, except for the nerf. An echo buff is a nerf last time I checked, allowing you to make mistakes, take more damage, and push phases way faster so you don't have to deal with them as long. You have to do far less twisters now then you had to do at launch. Also don't forget we are nerfing the content every patch ourselves by overgearing.

Echo doesn't help for instant kill mechanics. It's not because said mechanics happen less that they are nerfed. You're trying hard, but echo is NOT a nerf to the fight. Else why bother getting rid of ADS's paralysis ? Or T6's bouquet ? Or T7's petrification ? There should be no need, it's already nerfed according to you.

Wait, now they are nerfs? Also again, see my first point. Half the time you are saying the current nerfs are actually not nerfs, half the time you are saying they are lol.

oh wait, I only said that T5 and T9 weren't nerfed. What happened to T1-4, T6-8 ? They don't matter anymore ? Or maybe they aren't Coil anymore.

Coil was never suppose to be easy, it was never suppose to be equivalent to a story mission.

So I'll ask you again :
If the devs didn't want people to clear it more easily and with complete stranger, without vocal chat or anything, why would they nerf the Coil, aside from T5 and T9 (being the sole exceptions) ?

Didn't they just want everyone to be able to enjoy the story ?

[Magis]

I didn't. Or you can provide a quote of me where I say "T5 should be solo content or 4 man puggable". As far as I know (and I've checked back the original discussion for a few pages, to be sure), I never said anything more than "remove instant kill mechanics and reduce a bit hard hitting moves". You know, exactly what they did for T2 and T4, and for T6-8. But not for T5 (despite T5 being a useless wall now) nor T9 (which is STILL relevant as it block's T10 access, so I have no problem of it not being nerfed). I talked about Alexander as SCOB "nerfs + echo included", which means T6-8 mainly as T9 is NOT nerfed (I'll go back at it later)

I apologize, I muddled some of your arguments with another poster who was indeed asked for a soloable coil because, "it was goofy". If we set in stone now that you mean Coil1 and Coil2 as it is now, then I'll put that in my frame of mind when arguing you.

As for bolded part, I never said it either. T8 now isn't a walk in the park, and while learning it it still takes a fair amount of time. Without echo, many groups wouldn't be able to get through too (I've seen a few fail the timer with current echo and i120 gear)

Not sure who you are DFing with, but when I did it, we actually screwed up the whole final phase and still were able to get a win. Or are you talking about Ballistic Missile which isn't too hard to figure out, especially if you have done Ramuh which follows the same chain of responsibility mechanic. Also, below you are talking about T5 and T9 being "not nerfed" cause it was just echo, but what was even done to T6 and T8? Blighted had it's damage lowered (a stat nerf like echo) and T8 had all the damage nerfed (again echo). The only difference with T6 was you didn't have to hold DPS, and if you are saying that is hard, /facepalm.

Assumptions again. I didn't go into savage yet (important part) because I have other things to do, and they take up a lot of my play time. I play by priorities, and right now, my priorities are going to FCoB to know the end of the story I've been fighting for for such a long time, getting my magiteck rod, and that's about it. I don't have time for more. Gonna judge me ? You're free to do so. I'm free to despise your attitude.

So again, you are proving my point. The story is the major carrot on the stick here, that pushes you through content. Replace "motivation" with "bigger priority" then. Also lol, again with trying to make it out like I am judging you or something. I am stating that this is how content works, not that you are shitty or something. But please, keep acting like I care that you didn't clear Savage or not (wow, I'd have to be judging like 95% of raiders)... I guess framing it as an attack on yourself is easier than an attack on your argument.

Echo doesn't help for instant kill mechanics. It's not because said mechanics happen less that they are nerfed. You're trying hard, but echo is NOT a nerf to the fight. Else why bother getting rid of ADS's paralysis ? Or T6's bouquet ? Or T7's petrification ? There should be no need, it's already nerfed according to you.

Oh... my... god. Echo is not a nerf to a fight? What are you even talking about? So when your tank get's hit for 6-8k by Raven's Beak and they now have 3k more health to absorb that damage, you are saying it did no difference? That can be a life and death situation if the healers are not topping health up. What was your tank's health pre-echo and post-echo? Do you turn off echo buff when doing fights? It shouldn't make a difference then, cause it "doesn't nerf content".

oh wait, I only said that T5 and T9 weren't nerfed. What happened to T1-4, T6-8 ? They don't matter anymore ? Or maybe they aren't Coil anymore.

You only said they aren't nerfed by a backwards notion that a stat buff to all characters in not only damage; but healing power and defense "isn't a nerf".

So I'll ask you again :
If the devs didn't want people to clear it more easily and with complete stranger, without vocal chat or anything, why would they nerf the Coil, aside from T5 and T9 (being the sole exceptions) ?

Didn't they just want everyone to be able to enjoy the story ?

If they wanted people to "just complete the story", then the difficulty would be on par with story mode dungeons or trials, not what it is now. If they wanted it to "just be part of the story", you wouldn't have people like yourself STILL complaining post nerf. T5 and T9 were nerfed, plugging your ears and going "ECHOISNTNERF, ECHOISNTNERF, ECHOISNTNERF" over and over doesn't change that fact.

If "echo isn't a nerf" is the crux of your argument, well there isn't any point to keep going on that subject since the whole thing comes down to that. You are wrong, but I don't think any evidence I put forward will convince you otherwise so we will leave it at that.