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    Quote Originally Posted by SynMaris View Post
    I'd like to understand WHY can't they do it? What is stopping them? Skill?
    Enlighten me please. Because if the content is there, everyone has access to it, they only have themselves to blame if they can't do it.
    Here's why I can't do it at the moment.

    I'm pregnant. I can't commit to a static full-well knowing that at the moment, I need to you know do things like barf and go potty literally on a moments notice...and soon will be at a little minion's beck and call (babies don't feed themselves, and daddy's lack the 'equipment' also, it takes a while for babies to be on set 'normal' schedules...so really, until I know that the baby will sleep through the night, no statics for me). I've been in static's before and was able to do the content, on time pre-nerfs (before my static disbanded). So it's not a 'gee do I suck thing' It's 100% a 'ain't nobody got time for that' thing.

    Which by the way, I totally accept is MY problem. And I don't expect to be able to do the hardmode versions of the story/nor do I expect to get the gear etc. But this is what I would like/why I wish there were 2 versions:

    1. I would like to be able to see the story. Simply put, waiting until my baby is old enough for me to join a static again is really waaay to long to wait to see new storylines.
    2. I DON'T want the content nerfed before I can actually do the 'hard' versions. See right now, the content gets gimped before I can even really focus on it. I don't want that. I want it to be there, in all it's glory when I'm ready to do it. Having a 'storymode' and a 'hard' mode allow for this as the main reason for the coil nerfs now has been to make the content easier to be pugged/accessibilty. But if there were 2 modes (ala normal/ex primals now), then SE would have less reason to systematically nerf old content when new content comes out.

    The irony for me when people keep saying 'get gud', is it has nothing to do with 'boo-hoo I suck' and everything to do with 'please SE keep it hard until I can try it that way too' I WANT to be able to do the hard mode....I just don't think I'll logically be able to even attempt the first tiers of the new Alex dungeon (or heck, for that matter finish off Coil), before the nerf-hammers happen.

    Now for others it's a mix of things
    ...some are in my boat meaning real life is getting in the way, but they otherwise enjoy the challenge/don't mind putting in the time, but just don't have the time RIGHT NOW!.

    ...some don't like farming the same content over and over...see a little known thing people focus on when it comes to 'join/make a static and learn it' is statics tend to not only want to beat the battle, but they want to farm it as well...if you however, don't care about gear (yes there are people like that), and really just care about the challenge and/or clear, statics really aren't for you.

    ...some people find dying over and over again on a battle and spending hours on it soul-crushing. They simply do not want to spend hours wiping. Even the top-tier, super duper, 'leet crowd spent hours upon hours wiping out to this content, so it's reasonable for someone, who's being honest with themselves to say 'yeah, you know, I enjoy seeing the story etc... but I really find it draining to just die over and over' And considering that this is supposed to be a form of relaxation/entertainment....something we're supposed to enjoy, if deathga's over and over aren't your thing I can understand why you'd avoid them (now to be fair, most of the time, people who fall into this catergory avoid endgame content all together, but they still wish there was a simplier version so they could try it). Also, not enjoying dying over and over again does NOT equal=sucky player, it just means they don't enjoy wipes.

    ....some people don't want to commit to gaming at specific times w/ specific people. They'd rather PuG or randomly do content with friends/fc mates when they are available. For some people, just knowing 'I have to log in for my static at x time on y days' ='s stress and they start to dislike the game/grind, even though they are capable of doing the content and would otherwise, actually enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?

    I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.

    what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.
    Well said. Way too many people place their videogame skills on a high pedestal like they mean anything. If they didn't measure their self worth on how well they raid, they'd realize a story mode would not affect them at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?
    Those original fights aren't endgame. They were made for main story, which is why they are supposed to be so easy. It's not the same thing. Coil is an endgame raid. There's a difference between what those two things fundamentally are in an MMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.
    You're literally taking what was said and turning it up to 11. Which is what this thread has devolved into. Super casuals asking SE to make fights like T5 a single player tank n' spank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.
    1. No raider went into any Coil and one shotted it when it was current content. No one. They went in, they did their wipes and their time, and got better at it. You're literally assuming all raiders are good video game players, which isn't the case. Some people work harder at it than others to be acceptable in endgame. Not everyone is amazing. They still clear it though.

    2. You have a horrible view of statics if you assume they will mock your game playing skills. I sometimes wonder if how you see statics is how the average super casual does? Everyone in a static must be monsters, must be amazing players, must be super rude and elitest. It's incredible because that's hardly the case. Most of the time, statics are either made up of 8 people who are friends, just cordial to each other, or eventual friends. Your view of the cruelty of statics is so wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    Those original fights aren't endgame. They were made for main story, which is why they are supposed to be so easy. It's not the same thing. Coil is an endgame raid. There's a difference between what those two things fundamentally are in an MMO.
    then they should start doing future endgame content like that, 2 difficulty levels to make everyone happy. any reason to oppose it? will it affect the endgame raiders somehow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    Super casuals asking SE to make fights like T5 a single player tank n' spank.
    in a separated mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    1. No raider went into any Coil and one shotted it when it was current content. No one. They went in, they did their wipes and their time, and got better at it. You're literally assuming all raiders are good video game players, which isn't the case. Some people work harder at it than others to be acceptable in endgame. Not everyone is amazing. They still clear it though.
    even if there're some raiders who are not a good gamer, that doesn't change the fact that most raiders look down on people who can't do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    2. You have a horrible view of statics if you assume they will mock your game playing skills. I sometimes wonder if how you see statics is how the average super casual does? Everyone in a static must be monsters, must be amazing players, must be super rude and elitest. It's incredible because that's hardly the case. Most of the time, statics are either made up of 8 people who are friends, just cordial to each other, or eventual friends. Your view of the cruelty of statics is so wrong.
    judging from posters in this thread, they really are, or they have bad representatives to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    even if there're some raiders who are not a good gamer, that doesn't change the fact that most raiders look down on people who can't do it.
    The raiders in this thread aren't looking down on people who can't do it. They are looking down on people who either have never tried it and are complaining. Or people who unrealistically believe that they are entitled to a storyline without putting in any effort for it. For example, someone who queues into the current nerfed T6 with no idea what to do. They wipe, they ragequit, and then come here to complain about the difficulty of Coil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    The raiders in this thread aren't looking down on people who can't do it. They are looking down on people who either have never tried it and are complaining. Or people who unrealistically believe that they are entitled to a storyline without putting in any effort for it.
    Why can't you not look down on anyone at all? What's it to you if someone doesn't want to put as much time and effort as you in a videogame? Why can't you just keep playing like you usually do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    even if there're some raiders who are not a good gamer, that doesn't change the fact that most raiders look down on people who can't do it.
    Vocal minority on forum =/= raiders

    remember it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?

    I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.

    what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.
    Here is your reply.
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    video games are something that people do during their free times for entertaining. most games don't need to put any effort for it. those people didn't do anything wrong.
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    You guys still talkin' about this.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Its old, let it go.
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