It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Hazama999]

Remember when the reward for beating a game was being able to watch the closing cinematic? Is this no longer a thing?

I remember that. I don't remember having to rely on 7 other people to help me with it, though.

Sometimes I feel like people forget (and I'm not talking about you specifically, Mercutial) that this is, indeed, a game that requires teamwork. Nearly everything instanced is the result of a group of people working towards an end. I cannot say the reward is solely my own when others helped me achieve it. One can only do so much. With single player games, I can totally understand the sort of "responsibility" one has towards earning cutscenes (among other things). After all, everything that you do or do not accomplish is on you. With an MMO, however, you lose that single player level of control when you entrust your fate to the hands of 7 other people. These are 7 risk factors that are beyond your control. Sure, you can put forth the effort of finding the right people but at the end of the day there's no telling if they'll be able to perform.

It's pretty much why I chuckle when I see "MUST BE ABLE TO ONE-SHOT T9" or some such requirement on PF, as if the recruiter was asking each individual person to have the ability to one-shot Nael despite it being a team effort. I sure as hell can't say I can "ONE-SHOT T9". Hell, Idk if we can "ONE-SHOT T9" since I can't account for the rest of the team's ability. I guess the idea of such requirement is that everyone should be able to play at the best of their ability so as to "one-shot" T9 but eh.. a better worded requirement would be "must know what to do and play job right". Now I've gone on a crazy tangent!

[KarstenS]

With an MMO, however, you lose that single player level of control when you entrust your fate to the hands of 7 other people.

Why do you play a multiplayer only game when you don't like the central point of this type of game?

[ZeroComplex]

If you want coil story mode, do coil. In my experience anyone can clear these turns provided they put the practice in. Having a hard time with some of the turns? Get some friends to play with and practice; coil was not meant to be cleared on your first try even after the nerfs. Those bad pugs in DF looking for a carry holding you back? Find some like-minded people on your server and hook up with them to tackle Coil bosses. PF people not much better than DF? Don't make a PF party, make a learning static, build a LS, ask the FC for help.

The biggest problem I see with Coil and casuals who cannot clear are the mind sets people are in. You are meant to wipe and practice and learn the mechanics, all of them, and you are meant to learn to coordinate with ALL of your party members. (That includes all 7 other party members not just yourself!) If you want the story behind Coil you need to get out of the DF dungeon mindset that SE burned into your head with all these silly easy dungeons. Final Coil is hard, First and Second however, are not.

Hard =/= learning the mechanics and not facerolling everything.

[Zohar_Lahar]

The biggest problem I see with Coil and casuals who cannot clear are the mind sets people are in. You are meant to wipe and practice and learn the mechanics, all of them, and you are meant to learn to coordinate with ALL of your party members. (That includes all 7 other party members not just yourself!) If you want the story behind Coil you need to get out of the DF dungeon mindset that SE burned into your head with all these silly easy dungeons. Final Coil is hard, First and Second however, are not.

The problem is that having to wipe repeatedly to practice the fights means that people will unavoidably rage quit or call a vote to abandon. This makes it futile to even try since you're not going to accomplish anything either way. This is why Crystal Tower is much more fun because there's a much lower chance of the entire run being rage quit by majority vote.

[Odowla]

The problem is that having to wipe repeatedly to practice the fights means that people will unavoidably rage quit or call a vote to abandon. This makes it futile to even try since you're not going to accomplish anything either way. This is why Crystal Tower is much more fun because there's a much lower chance of the entire run being rage quit by majority vote.

Yes, the constant /a shouting and whining about people is much more fun.

I think the biggest problem with people not being able to clear Turn 5, Turn 6, whichever turn, is people unwilling to learn and adjust to strategies and to deal with mechanics. I remember at release Titan hard mode was really difficult, coupled by the fact that the HP check was quite high ( for the time, at least, 3.2k HP to be safe was REALLY hard to get without a lot of farming..), but what one of the developer responses was simply "We suggest zooming out your camera as far as it will go, it makes seeing plumes and landslides much easier" or something to that effect.. effectively telling the players to "Get good". They really can only nerf so much of coil before it just becomes a waste of time and resources to change it..

The mechanics that are "one hit kills" in T5 now are like, twisters only. Nothing else will one shot you anymore with i110 gear, or i120, or EVEN i130 gear. At i100 and 20% echo you can 2 stack fireballs. Back at sub i90 during t5 progression, 4 stack fireballs would hit you for 90% of your HP most of the time. Now, the only worrisome mechanic is twisters, which, at i110 you get pretty much a single twister in the entire phase. At i130 you almost burn the phase SO FAST you don't even get the dreadknight anymore.

[Sorrik]

"Solo coil mode"

This just doesn't EVEN!!!

"I want to solo Nael Deus Darnus. It's just totally realistic to me that I could take down any of 16 foot tall monstrosities this game challenges my 7 foot role-played character with all on my OWN! Fuck it, I bet I could take down every S rank solo as well."

Stop being a child. You are playing a ROLE-PLAYING GAME ... if you want to be immersed in storyline so badly that you have to have that handed to you on a plate as well, then just read a book. That doesn't involve you actually interacting with it at all which is what you're trying to dumb Final Coil down to. (Hyperbole look it up and don't quote this sentence and talk about it in literal terms THANK UUUUU)

[Melriss]

Stop being a child. You are playing a ROLE-PLAYING GAME ... if you want to be immersed in storyline so badly that you have to have that handed to you on a plate as well, then just read a book. That doesn't involve you actually interacting with it at all which is what you're trying to dumb Final Coil down to. (Hyperbole look it up and don't quote this sentence and talk about it in literal terms THANK UUUUU)

Listen here you bully, I PAY for this game so I deserve to be part of EVERY aspect of it. I don't care if I need to invest time, gil or social interactions because I am not a no life nerd who plays for 420 hours every month! I am the HERO OF THIS STORY AND I DESERVE EVERYTHING so go back to wiping on your little raids for 7 hours a night. How DARE you look down on us you elitist raiding bully!! Make T9 soloable and make it drop ilvl 130 RIGHT NOW!!

[Sorrik]

@Melriss

Someone has anger issues. Paying a subscription fee means you have the ability to play the game at all. It's an extension of you buying a 60 dollar PS4 first-person shooter game. The fee goes to game development since MMOs are continually evolving. You SEVERELY misunderstand what a sub fee is for. If you pay your fee and do nothing but the bare minimum effort in game (a casual ... AND this term is only derogatory if you make it that way ... you're projecting, it isn't an insult) then you deserve something for what effort you put in.

Raiders put in more time, more effort = they are entitled JUSTIFIABLY to better rewards (i.e., cutscenes and gear) ... You didn't work for it = you have to wait for it until it is no longer relevant content.

Edit 1 - I can't tell if you were being sarcastic. I only realized the possibility after I posted LOL.

[Anneliese]

@Melriss

Someone has anger issues. Paying a subscription fee means you have the ability to play the game at all. It's an extension of you buying a 60 dollar PS4 first-person shooter game. The fee goes to game development since MMOs are continually evolving. You SEVERELY misunderstand what a sub fee is for. If you pay your fee and do nothing but the bare minimum effort in game (a casual ... AND this term is only derogatory if you make it that way ... you're projecting, it isn't an insult) then you deserve something for what effort you put in.

Raiders put in more time, more effort = they are entitled JUSTIFIABLY to better rewards (i.e., cutscenes and gear) ... You didn't work for it = you have to wait for it until it is no longer relevant content.

Edit 1 - I can't tell if you were being sarcastic. I only realized the possibility after I posted LOL.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Melriss is being sarcastic lol

[FranSeara]

[QUOTE=Sorrik;2775773]"Solo coil mode"

This just doesn't EVEN!!!


I just know someone here would just hate this idea. Having more modes to raids could/would open them up to more players like myself Who like to solo stuff or play at odd hours of the night/day. Having, more stuff never hurts. a solo coil mode could be like the Solo Ada Wong missions the RE series. It could get more players to try raids or coils in the furture. Solo mode wouldnt be solo the whole coil alone. Solo missions could be clear said floor to allow a raid team to move on to the next fight without being lockout or fored into a harder fight. I think the idea is Fun and would bring more spice to the boring endgame we have now. "Adding more FUN is not so bad".