Gerolt's Masterwork Weapons: Please Continue Upgrades

[Synestr]

What a coinkidink. I was just thinking of this while driving in to work this morning. A continuation of these weapons would be welcome. I think it would need to be an involved process, like requiring a (potentially) a relic zenith to fuse with the unweathered GM to become a Gerolt Primework. NOt just the zenith though. Would need an item from all the Primals, Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, and also from Mog and Ultima. Items that might not "always" drop. Once you has all that you would need to find something big and bad to slay to get a final fusing item. I would like to see this.

The zodiac route for me is really hard to get into atm. I am so far behind as I have ZERO atma.

I would like to see the GM line continued.

My 2g

[CGMidlander]

I would like this too.
I do have a relic, and it's annoying to feel pigeonholed into the job I have it on. I'd like the ability to try switching to a different class when new stuff comes out and the ilvl cap is raised, but still have relevant gear for progression if I choose to do so.

[Synestr]

Exactly. I have Zenith on all my jobs that can have it atm. SCH and SMN are 5 lvls away from getting theirs then it will be MNK's turn. I like the look of the Nexus weapons, they are cool, but I cannot see myself getting 100+ atma for all jobs.

[JonBigwood]

I agree with Raldo that probably new weapons will arrive, but not upgrade from the existent, since new people would have to do two grinds, one for the existent and other for the upgrade. If the first grind is made quick it might be no problem and it would be about the same (more soldiery drop and no weekly cap, and the soldiery weapons will be a piece of cake to get. With no ST cap, Sands of Time would be much easier to get.) New weapons mean more glamour possibilites compared with upgrade and just different colour glow, as somebody said.

As time advances more alternatives have been made. In 2.1 you could do the relic quest (a long grind of many weeks) and get a Zenith weapon or do Coil with weekly lock and win the drop for a better weapon (very difficult win and unlikely drop, few people got it then.) Now you have a third possibility of getting a weapon that is not the best, but is good enough for all content, through soldiery tomes and sands. Great possibility to have.

I think this third possibility will continue to exist, be it through new weapons or upgrading of previous. It seems the last step of the relic will always be a very long grind that you will do with one weapon but not more, unless you have a lot of playing time. Previous steps of the relic will be made easier (like now Zenith can be done in a couple of days) but not the last step. The other classes you play (or if you are not up for the grind, your main class) will have the possibility of another weapon, nearly as good or as good, with also some grind (the great majority of people don't get the last relic upgrade until a long time after it is created.)

[Kiara]

Hi Third,

The feeling you're having about your work being invalidated with each big patch is exactly what many have felt for a long time (and we left feedback for the Dev Team during Beta about this):

* This is Vertical Progression.

This is the system Yoshi P has chosen, copying his beloved World of WarCraft's model.

Your feelings on Gerolt's Weapons is the same feeling many of us have when we earned Armor Drops in 1st Coil and now 2nd Coil:

"It's all going to be invalidated next big patch, sigh." (Every 5 - 6 months.)

So I'm glad we're seeing at least *one* thing last between patches (Relics), but it would be nice if Yoshi P and the team introduced just a *bit* more Horizontal Progression (still get New Gear, but same Item Level with Different Stats (e.g., "Increased Enmity" or "Enhances Bloodletter", etc.).

Realistically Gerolt's will be overwritten by Shiva's Weapons and the new Allagan Tomestone of (XYZ), since Yoshi P already talked about it.

Look at all the people who got Leviathan's Wave Weapons. I know plenty of players (myself included) that spammed Leviathan countless times to try and get a Mirror and still no drop.

And it's already invalidated (short-lived).

I hope we get less of a rapid Vertical Progression model in 3.0. For the betterment of XIV.

[kingatlas]

Yeah but if they slow down vert prog, then people will be sitting around mor doah complaining how they have nothing to do again.

You know SE can't win no matter what they give to people. There will always be people complaining that its not exactly what they personally want.

From what the op says, she basically wants atma, but doesn't want to do the atma questline.
So invalidate everything everyone else has worked for, because she doesn't want to do it, and wants her weapons just as good and super easy to obtain.
Getting the stuff for the GM was extremely easy go hunting for a day and you get a log(s). Go to st get a UAT.

The coil weapons are still better than the Nexus, nexus is just ilvl 115 in name only.

[Sleigh]

The coil weapons are still better than the Nexus, nexus is just ilvl 115 in name only.

No, only Atma weapons were like that. Nexus are 100% BiS for every job right now.

[Trixxy]

In my opinion gerolt's weapons are the lazy way out and it wouldn't really be fair for those who actually do work their asses off for a nexus, especially when suddenly everyone runs around with an easier obtainable and equally strong weapon (not like that isn't going to happen pretty soon anyway).

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Yeah but if they slow down vert prog, then people will be sitting around mor doah complaining how they have nothing to do again.

You know SE can't win no matter what they give to people. There will always be people complaining that its not exactly what they personally want.

From what the op says, she basically wants atma, but doesn't want to do the atma questline.
So invalidate everything everyone else has worked for, because she doesn't want to do it, and wants her weapons just as good and super easy to obtain.
Getting the stuff for the GM was extremely easy go hunting for a day and you get a log(s). Go to st get a UAT.

The coil weapons are still better than the Nexus, nexus is just ilvl 115 in name only.

Wrong entirely. I have an Atma bow, useless upgrade that it is. What did I do for the original relic? Took on 5 of the biggest challenges of the game (at that time). Was it easy? No. Did it feel worth it once I got the bow? Yes. What did I do for the Atma bow? Fate grind. Was it easy? Yes. Did it feel worth it once I got the bow? No. What I'm saying is that I want a weapon - an alternative to the relic - that I have to work for. Coil/Raid weapons are that, yes, but I'm aware that many can't get them, won't get them, or are completely disinterested in the challenge, if not the weapons. My GM weapon is something I worked for, at least more so than anything post-Zenith. Not HUNTED for. I actually got mine WITHOUT hunting. Hunts haven't given me anything but a minion, and another currency I don't even know what to do with. And most people know I have just as much disdain for the hunt as I do for the relic quest.

Invalidate everything everyone else has worked for? Wanting weapons just as good and super easy to obtain? No. Wrong entirely. I WANT to work for my weapon, at least more than hunting or fate grinding, or spamming/speed-running a single instance because of a bonus window might offer me. Let people have the relic as it is - they can have the long, easy road. I want a challenge, and while I actually LIKE Coil, I', well aware that's the extreme opposite of the long easy Relic road. Primal weapons make sense - you overcome a challenge for the reward. I simply would like GM weapons to be of a similar nature. If I had to beat all the extreme primals (just as an example), guess what? Not only is that good reason to take on the challenge, it's INCENTIVE. Something sorely lacking in the game right now. UATs available in ST? Less incentive to beat SCoB Turn 7, IF you're even up to Second Coil, which sadly many aren't. Sands/Oils available from hunts OR ST, now as guaranteed drops? Again, why bother with SCoB now? Hell, why bother hunting? ST is GUARANTEED. Is it easy? Yes.
Do you perhaps see my issue here? There's little reward for being skilled here - something that the original relic actually stood for. You knew what someone did to get it. Just like a T5/T9 weapon. But what does a Novus weapon say? What does a Nexus weapon say? That this person is good, or that they're simply patient?

Let me clarify: No, I don't want a grind weapon. No, I don't want an easy to obtain weapon. And no, I don't want a weapon that'd require a certain measure of masochism to obtain due to difficulty. But I DO want a challenge. Not for bragging rights, not to stand around in Mor Dhona to show off, I want that feeling of having earned something again, and I want it to be worthwhile. GM weps probably will get replaced, and that's sad. I see it as a missed opportunity if that happens. Not to circumvent or trump those who have the "dedication" to take the long easy road to the relic - which WILL be the best weapon in the game - but simply to provide a scalable, near-comparable alternative. That's all. If a Novus/Nexus weapon says you put in the time, simple efforts, and dedication to achieve it, let the GM/Primal/Future alternative say "I chose to face all seven hells to achieve this. Maybe it took a while, maybe it didn't, but I went to hell and back, and here's MY prize." (This is assuming that Final Coil/Future raid weapons will always be the transient, superior weapon to all.)

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

In my opinion gerolt's weapons are the lazy way out and it wouldn't really be fair for those who actually do work their asses off for a nexus, especially when suddenly everyone runs around with an easier obtainable and equally strong weapon (not like that isn't going to happen pretty soon anyway).

For the sake of perspective, it may be an apples/oranges thing in terms of base stats, damage, and item level, but (and this is not even including the custom attributes) a Novus weapons is STILL superior to an upgraded Gerolt Masterwork weapon. By that logic, can you say it's lazy to work for a weapon that's still inferior besides? Would you make the same argument that someone who just cleared Turn 9 (WITH a GM weapon) and got a now-inferior-to Nexus High Allagan weapon is lazy?

Let's not kid ourselves here: Relic - if you have time, patience, gil/materia, and the ability to grind something - is practically handed to you. This is NOT me saying it's not worth it or that it doesn't deserve to be so good for what effort goes into it, but this IS me saying that it is in no way a measure of its owner's skill. And with things like the Hunt pretty much boosting players and fast-tracking people to sub-raid level gear, what REALLY ends up happening is we get left with well-geared inexperience. Please note: This is NOT me saying I'm elite/superior or that anyone who clears endgame raids = master race or anything so conceited. But really think about it - how much confidence would you have going into, say Garuda Extreme or even Turn 1, seeing a few nice glowing relic weapons Novus/Nexus, then "One or more players have yet to complete this duty"?