So considering the size of the servers....

[Barboron]

Maybe on your server there are lots open, but don't assume that all servers have lots open.

Don't assume? Now you're getting the point! That's it, don't assume.

And I did do a mini survey of a few people I knew (FC, Friends list, link shells mainly and a few people I did a lot of duty runs with (not necessarily the same server)). Again, not conclusive evidence, but my point is more of that there are people that want housing but either can't get them because the houses already got bought up, or they are waiting for the prices to go down, but it is a game of: What is the price that I'll pay, what is the price that others will pay?

Of course it won't be conclusive evidence, that sort of sample would be far too small and you still made the assumption that half of the high level players of a number you made by a small observation would want housing.

Also, I see no reason why their servers can't handle housing. There are other games with larger non-instanced housing areas that are fine and they aren't even from a big company like SE. So the only reason that their servers wouldn't be able to handle housing would be if they didn't set up their servers to be expandable. In which case, I'd have to say that is poor design.

Of course you can't see why. It's because you haven't got a clue, like the rest of us, how the game is designed nor do you know how the servers are setup. You can't simple take content from one game and assume it will work in another just because it's there.


To finish off, OP, you constructed an ill-informed case for your thoughts against housing. You are using numbers that you simply can not back up in any way. On top of that, you are making assumptions on the system used to run the game without, what seems, any prior knowledge to how it is setup. Be that how their servers are setup, the actual equipment used, the programming done etc.

Ah, that's my point!

Congratulations, you have solved SE's problem! Now if YoshiP could just see this post...

That's not SE's problem, that's your problem. Who is to say that this housing system does not benefit SE? Afterall, it was stated in a Live Letter that it would be difficult to create housing like that in FFXI since it would require making several instances. So rather, the problem is that you don't like the feature and how it was implemented. Don't pawn it off as SE's problem.

[ariaandkia]

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Ok, let us put it this way, my point was that even if my numbers were fairly far off, we still don't have enough housing for everyone. Just considering in my sample, I already have people that can't get housing because it is already bought out. Just from the numbers I already have, we don't have enough housing.

It is called a hypothetical situation/scenario for a reason. If it is already like this, then this is the issue. Assuming that on a larger scale it is also somewhat similar, then this is the issue. If both are the same issue, then assuming a larger case, this is the proposed idea.

My point also being that SE could have designed their housing system to be more adaptable, but they didn't. Now, I wouldn't mind them redoing housing completely, but there would be plenty of people upset if the changes messes with their houses too much.

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Took me a bit to find a reasonable scenario but here is an example:

I see that there are people who are hungry. I go: Hey, we should find a way to feed more people. Assuming this much of the population I can see is hungry, we need to find a way to get this much food. Now, assuming then that the rest of the state is like that, we need this much food. Assuming that the nation is like that, we need this much food.

Even if we don't need that much food or if we need more than that much, point is still that we need more food.

[Barboron]

It is called a hypothetical situation/scenario for a reason.

So now you are trying to take everything you said and claim it to be a hypothetical situation?

Either way, it is evident that the biggest concern is gardening when it comes to housing, there have been threads on it before. Very few pertaining to peoples' urge to have housing for RP or vanity, that's not to say those reasons do not exist. So, the simple solution to this? Focus on personal room plant pots. That would take a huge weight off the housing debate.

[ariaandkia]

So now you are trying to take everything you said and claim it to be a hypothetical situation?

Either way, it is evident that the biggest concern is gardening when it comes to housing, there have been threads on it before. Very few pertaining to peoples' urge to have housing for RP or vanity, that's not to say those reasons do not exist. So, the simple solution to this? Focus on personal room plant pots. That would take a huge weight off the housing debate.

That is true that it would likely lessen up the need for houses if you removed gardening from houses and put it in personal rooms. However, if you simply added personal room gardening, that would do very little to really change the desire for housing.

Think of it this way: Why do 1 plot when you can do 3 plots? Why do 3 plots when you can do 6? and so on.

It has always been a hypothetical situation. That is why I said assuming and not "this is a fact." Or "This is a Golden Truth."

I want a house not for the gardens, not for anything special, but for the fact that I love building things. I own both minecraft and terraria and my friends know me for building some of the most absurd things. (Most of my friends also refuse, violently, to ever enter any of my worlds because of my bad habit of... Let us put it this way, a mirror house maze would be like my idea of good housing design.

I like making challenges for people to try to go through. And so far? I've had mostly good feedback where people ask me to let them know whenever I update my house.

So it isn't really for vanity or RP, but for making challenges for people.

[Barboron]

It has always been a hypothetical situation. That is why I said assuming and not "this is a fact." Or "This is a Golden Truth."

If that's the case, then you have no argument. You are just dismissing any numbers you were assuming to have had. Why even mention these numbers if they are of zero use to begin with other than lead people to believe that there exists a demand that there really is not?

[ariaandkia]

If that's the case, then you have no argument. You are just dismissing any numbers you were assuming to have had. Why even mention these numbers if they are of zero use to begin with other than lead people to believe that there exists a demand that there really is not?

Again. If based on the numbers I have, about half of the population wants a house, then it should be reasonable enough to make a guess that in a larger group, it should still be somewhat near that number. If based on the numbers I have, there are ALREADY people who want housing but can't get it, then even with a larger group, there is still people who want housing but can't get it.

The hypothetical situation is based on the situation I know, not just completely random.

Let us put it this way:

If out of 1000 people, around 50 of them didn't have houses but wanted one (but couldn't get one because there was no houses left), even if we were to expand it to say 5000 people, there is STILL a MINIMUM of around 50 that can't get houses and want to.

The issue still exists, the only difference is how big the issue is.

if out of 1000 people, 500 of them don't want houses and 500 do, then even expanded to 5000 people, at least 500 want and 500 don't want.

[Barboron]

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You don't need to give examples, I completely understand. You have made up numbers and seem to be confusing them with fact.

What you "know" is that some of your friends and FC members want houses. There isn't enough houses to go around. You're not the first to realise this. Where your wrong is the scale of the demand because you are making up numbers. Understand? You can't simply say "Lets assume the server holds 7,000 people. Of that 7,000 people at least half of them want a red chocobo." and actually accept it to be true just because you asked a small sample of people who happened to want a red chocobo. Not only that but chances are you are going to have a bias in your samples because those who want housing are going to make their voices heard over those who aren't too concerned.

Your argument is invalid. End.