front lines and the immortal flames

[SevValen]

OK I want to start off by saying I was in the maelstrom and only switched to the flames because an item was selling for a stupid high amount if you are on my server you know what that item is. I thought I run front lines on the flames side until I'm able to switch again and why is it that the flames just can't win any matches? out of the 30 matches I've played so far I've only won 2. now I'm not saying I've won every match on the maelstrom side but I have won mors then 2

[Riepah]

Keelhaul the traitor!

[Zyphione]

From my understand, NA flame team tend to be lazy and do not play to win game? Was discussion of this in other thread and many player tell me is either lazy and spend most of game with "do not tell me how to play game" attitude.

[Venom]

From my understand, NA flame team tend to be lazy and do not play to win game? Was discussion of this in other thread and many player tell me is either lazy and spend most of game with "do not tell me how to play game" attitude.

It is nothing to do with being lazy. I have the same problem when I play during European time. It is to do with the fact we lack healers. I have been in a 24 man Allience with 0 healers before. I have been in an Allience with 10 PLD where 5 of them where in one party. When I asked some of them to switch job there answer was, we don't have other healer at 50 or no response at all. I am quite sure no matter how hard you work, if you have a healer disadvantage you won't win. If you go into a party against a primal with no healers is that lazy? no... it is a bad party set-up. Unfortunately Frontlines just throws the worst parties together and usually because of where the job guilds are located Flames get an awfully short straw.

[Gor]

It is nothing to do with being lazy. I have the same problem when I play during European time. It is to do with the fact we lack healers. I have been in a 24 man Allience with 0 healers before. I have been in an Allience with 10 PLD where 5 of them where in one party. When I asked some of them to switch job there answer was, we don't have other healer at 50 or no response at all. I am quite sure no matter how hard you work, if you have a healer disadvantage you won't win. If you go into a party against a primal with no healers is that lazy? no... it is a bad party set-up. Unfortunately Frontlines just throws the worst parties together and usually because of where the job guilds are located Flames get an awfully short straw.

she was meaning lazy as intentionally queuing for FL as one spec (in this case we were referring to tanks) and too lazy to cross class to meet role demands, knowing full well there is a low need for tanks. yet they come in as one class tank anyway. or having a second dps or healing class and not gearing it. a few people doing that is ok in FL, but the problem with Flames on Primal is that there's alot of people doing that. alot of people are PLDs and ONLY leveled PLD yet knowing there is a shortage on healers on their GC and the reason why they lose most the time. and you're on my data center so you're describing exactly what we're talking about lol. it doesn't matter what time you queue up. Flames are forever fails all day long, all day strong lol.

[Gor]

what Zy said. you're just on Team Bad. have fun with that.

[Tayolynn]

Here in Exodus, its the opposite. Flames have stepped up their game and learned to work against other teams with changing their strat. Same with Adders, and Storms just suck ass where they keep to the same strat that won their games from FL release, and like to scatter like hell. In my games, Storms are a joke.

[SevValen]

Here in Exodus, its the opposite. Flames have stepped up their game and learned to work against other teams with changing their strat. Same with Adders, and Storms just suck ass where they keep to the same strat that won their games from FL release, and like to scatter like hell. In my games, Storms are a joke.

I don't think front lines is server based but data center based

[tehomegaking]

Flames has gotten much better on Primal. Adder is by far and large the worst now.

With the influx of new players, it's very frustrating on "veterans" to be paired with new people over and over and over again. The main problem here is, FL is too complex for new pvp'rs. Yeah, it's not very complex, but it' seems that tactics are just too hard for the vast majority of new players, it really seems to take them far too long to get used to. For example, every game I'll see either A or C losing at their flag, and rather than move on and try take an OP or ST etc.. they usually just keep going until the end of the game, wasting an entire team. Likewise, if a flag isn't being attacked, the majority of players will just waste themselves away for the entire match rather than splintering into smaller groups to attack or assist elsewhere. It really just seems to much for the average player to comprehend... of don't even get me started on B... thats just an impossibility for new players. This is why I believe a much simpler, last strategic form of pvp is whats needed to create and maintain healthy PVP environment. I stopped WOW after WOTLK, but I believe a simple capture the flag like warsong gulch (how it was in wotlk) would be perfect. Far less strategy involved, far less players needed, and thus far less problems created.

[Gor]

With the influx of new players, it's very frustrating on "veterans" to be paired with new people over and over and over again. The main problem here is, FL is too complex for new pvp'rs. Yeah, it's not very complex, but it' seems that tactics are just too hard for the vast majority of new players, it really seems to take them far too long to get used to.

yea and this. when it comes to pvp in the mmo world, no one flocks to ffxiv. ijs. it just isn't known for it. so the majority of players who come to pvp are people who probably haven't even played bgs before in any game so they come in there clueless. the majority of people who are familiar with bgs have already left because there is no way in hell FL is able to keep their attention for this long. i don't even see the good and regular players on Primal anymore, now the list is full of names i don't even recognize.