An idea for CSs in story roulette. (Yes another one. Humor me on this.)

[MythToken]

I agree with you vaer. But lets look at this a little more logically.

A. There are TONS of CSers that are legit upset about speed runners.

B. There are not that many that care

If A. then my solution is correct and should be implemented.

If B. Then all these complaint threads and the people who are claiming that there are tons of people being affected by this "issue" is a bunch of BS. And nothing should be done.

So either we leave it be, because nothing is wrong. Or we eliminate the roulette.

See what i did there?

[Bixby]

Shameless plug. Posted a (hopefully tastefully) generic question for the live letter about the subject. Urrbody who gives a crap go vote, and maybe we'll get a tastefully generic response.

[MeiUshu]

you did something that has no head or tail.....just because you want to see it that way doesnt make it a possibility or even something doable.

Speed runs are there because of people that are busy if we take the suggestion that people dont want to go where cutscenes are mandatory that doesnt mean that those new that dont want to see cutscenes taking the first options wont have to deal with speed runer, they will deal with those and you will have vets doing this category and it will penalize those that dont want to see CS but cant YET affoard to do speed runs...


You are treating only ONE SIDE of the problem meaning CS, but with CS there is also the speedrunners and those are directly linked to CS problems that we see nowadays.

You cant call what others have experienced many and more times as being BS. you do not solve anything with your solution unless you look into the speeruner side too especially in these two story dungeons.

Just me though,

Mei

[MythToken]

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Speed runs are there because of people that are busy if we take the suggestion that people dont want to go where cutscenes are mandatory that doesnt mean that those new that dont want to see cutscenes taking the first options wont have to deal with speed runer, they will deal with those and you will have vets doing this category and it will penalize those that dont want to see CS but cant YET affoard to do speed runs...


You cant call what others have experienced many and more times as being BS. you do not solve anything with your solution unless you look into the speeruner side too especially in these two story dungeons.

Just me though,

Mei

How would you ever experience it more than once? And im not calling their argument BS, im saying the notion of them being in the majority is BS. Also please try to use more punctuation.

And the reason i decided to address the CSers over the Speed runners, is that you can't solve speed running.

[RiceisNice]

People that are upset about players who watch cutscenes (and they do DF under the basis they'd want a speed run), what going to stop them from being upset from getting queued with players that are new and god forbid, relevantly geared for expert dungeons? The idea that people can berate others for being new or wanting to enjoy an aspect of the game is pretty toxic, and it just worsens if they're the majority in a given party for main scenario (vote kick) for both sides.

The truth is, when you accept a duty roulette, you essentially accept the risk of getting queued with players that may or may not fit your ideal mold.

[kidvideo]

/no, just use the book in your inn room if the general consensus is to skip. It's what I did on all of my first runs & I don't feel I missed out on anything.

[Seoulstar]

/no, just use the book in your inn room if the general consensus is to skip. It's what I did on all of my first runs & I don't feel I missed out on anything.

Has the thought ever occurred to you that not everyone thinks like you do?

[Violyre]

We could just turn all of the story roulette dungeons into single player, and spread the tomes from the roulette across the other ones.

[ManweSulimo]

What if there were two options for "Roulette: Main Scenario?" Stay with me.

Option 1: CSs are automatically skipped. Mythstone and Gil payout is reduced.
Option 2: Any CSs seen by the player for the first time, cannot be skipped. Pages in the CS's script is automatically continued to the next one when the audio voice dialogue that goes with it has played out. Boss rooms do not unlock until everyone is out of CSs. Mythstone and Gil payout is increased. (Add Grand Company Seals?)

Veterans can choose to do one or the other for the daily bonus but not both in one day.

New players doing any CS heavy duties can cue up for one, the other or both as a way of getting a party faster. Yes believe it or not, not all new players are into the CSs and that's OK.

This is just an idea that would make everyone happy (or at least try to.) There would be no argument during the actual duty because it was selected via roulette ahead of time by each player.

For those of you you about to say "Party Finder," it's not a viable option. It only picks up players from your own server plus new players already see the duty finder as the go-to for any and all missions.

Please post your thoughts. I would like to know if I missed any holes or overlooked any details. No Social Justice Warriors please.

I pray to God SE reads this post and acts on this because in my opinion this is the ultimate solution.

Let's take a step back. Remember SE is marketing this game to people that haven't ever played MMOs before as well. So let's say you are a brand new FFXIV player and you've never played an MMO before. You are an avid final fantasy player and you've played most of the games in the series and love the stories and that's one of the main reasons you play the games in the first place. So you're used to taking any story mode related content at your own pace and really enjoying it. The only interest you have is the excitement of what is going to happen with the story (remember people aren't thinking endgame whatsoever when they enter this for the first time so they may potentially not even know that tomestones exist etc.). You just got to what you think is the showdown with the Garlean empire. You're so pumped as you watch the opening video and you can't wait to beat up some Garlean generals. Then all of a sudden you get out of the cutscene when it finishes and you see all this party text and realize other players are raging at you and trying to bully you into not watching any more of the cutscenes which is the whole point of the dungeon let's be honest. And you either cave to being bullied or you watch the cut-scenes anyways but then by the time you get out of them the boss that you just saw in the cutscene is already dead. Either way your experience has been ruined and you are dumbfounded and maybe even your faith in SE is shaken. How could they have let this happen?

You only get one first time. The movie "The Sixth Sense" comes to mind. Need I say more?

So there are probably a few solutions to this but I think that the OP is just about perfect. Make 2 options, one for skipping cut-scenes and one for not skipping any cut-scenes. In the non skipping version, play all the cut-scenes exactly in sync for all players in the party based on the talking speed of the respective characters (unstoppable 100% movie with no player control).

The truth is you could even just make one option and make that option play cut-scenes as described with no option to skip them or speed them up but in order to properly implement that, the rewards per unit time must be perfectly balanced with the best rewards per unit time for other content available. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. As an i110.4 (115 weapon*) BiS, speed-running champion myself (used to do brayflox hm first two bosses in less than 4:30 back when it was 50 myth and that was the best way to get Novus etc.), I haven't Q'd for the story mode roulette in months because I know it's not optimal tomes per unit time. And especially since hunts came out I see no reason to do this whatsoever. However even I would be Q for this dungeon and knowingly sit through all of the cut-scenes and honestly even be excited to help out new players if the reward could be balanced based on how long it took. And for the new person they would be pumped that the battle phases would be blown through and they would really awed by all of the really well geared players, especially ones with actual skill and not just high level gear. Instead of resenting higher level players, they would look forward to working towards becoming one so they could also show the new people running these dungeons how amazing they can be once they get all or some of their endgame gear and some skill under their belt.

So now to figure out how to balance the rewards... I haven't run a full run of Castrum or Paetorium for quite a while but as a rule of thumb for this just add up the amount of minutes spent in cutscenes, multiply that by 10, and that's how much myth the daily bonus should be for the version with the cutscenes. This is on par with assuming a player can get 50 myth every 5 minutes maybe running Brayflox etc. So if the Praetorium took 1 hour then the story mode roulette would be in the realm of 600 myth only if they choose the full cut-scene option. Yes while this may sound high I really truly think that with rewards like this and disallowing the skipping and/or speeding up of any cut-scenes would completely solve this issue altogether. I still remember my huge anticipation for my first experience in Castrum and Praetorium and then conversely I remember actually running them and it was a defining moment of misery as a new player and a huge disappointment. For the sake of the future sustainability of this game and even for improved player to player interactions inside these dungeons I highly recommend that something along these lines be implemented.

*btw shameless plug can you weight the ilevel of the weapon such that players with full 110 gear and 115 weapons would be i111 please (or full i90 gear and i95 weapons to be i91, full i130 with i135 weapon be i131, etc.)

Otherwise cutscene skipping shout be disabled whenever the new player bonus is being paid out. The new player bonus and watching cutscenes should be tightly coupled. And this is easily enforced, and reineforced starting from things like Sastasha.

This is another solution, enable skipping cut-scenes if no new players are present and disable skipping cut-scenes if new players are present. However from my standpoint as an endgame player I would rather know how long I will be in a dungeon ahead of time before I even Q for it and be able to plan accordingly. Maybe my 2 star gathering node is going to come up, maybe I have irl commitments soon, maybe I have raid in 45 minutes and the non cut-scene skipping run would take too long but the skipping round wouldn't and so forth.