An idea for CSs in story roulette. (Yes another one. Humor me on this.)

[Darki]

What if there were two options for "Roulette: Main Scenario?" Stay with me.

Option 1: CSs are automatically skipped. Mythstone and Gil payout is reduced.
Option 2: Any CSs seen by the player for the first time, cannot be skipped. Pages in the CS's script is automatically continued to the next one when the audio voice dialogue that goes with it has played out. Boss rooms do not unlock until everyone is out of CSs. Mythstone and Gil payout is increased. (Add Grand Company Seals?)

Veterans can choose to do one or the other for the daily bonus but not both in one day.

New players doing any CS heavy duties can cue up for one, the other or both as a way of getting a party faster. Yes believe it or not, not all new players are into the CSs and that's OK.

This is just an idea that would make everyone happy (or at least try to.) There would be no argument during the actual duty because it was selected via roulette ahead of time by each player.

For those of you you about to say "Party Finder," it's not a viable option. It only picks up players from your own server plus new players already see the duty finder as the go-to for any and all missions.

Please post your thoughts. I would like to know if I missed any holes or overlooked any details. No Social Justice Warriors please.

[Cuervo78]

tbh, since there are only these two cs heavy dungeons I would prefer them to not put dev time into it.

Anyway, I predict most veterans would always go for the no-cs option, leaving the newbies at the same point where there are now.

[MythToken]

At this point, id rather them just remove Main scenario Roulette altogether. There problem solved, and no extra time needed.

[Vaer]

At this point, id rather them just remove Main scenario Roulette altogether. There problem solved, and no extra time needed.

Until you realize there's going to be barely anyone helping new players with them if you do this...

[LineageRazor]

I don't anticipate SE putting any further changes into making cutscene-watching desirable. I believe that they realized they made a mistake, and will make an effort not to repeat it in the future (no more stupidly long cutscenes in the middle of a dungeon), but I doubt any work is going to be put into correcting this past mistake.

At the same time, I disagree with the assumption that no one would run these dungeons with the cs option. Look to any of the "Why can't I watch cutscenes?" threads that pop up from time to time, and you can see that, if anything, the folks insisting that these dungeons should be speed run are in a MINORITY. The newbies have plenty of supporters.

If folks are running Prae and CM with the goal of getting fast Tomestones, they're doing it wrong. Brayflox HM is STILL far better Myth per hour. This generally means that less folks sign up for Prae and CM than there used to be, but it also means that the ones who do are already prepared for less-than-optimal myth per hour (or are stupid). So why are these dungeons still speed-run when no one is actually in a hurry? Because it is the accepted expectation; tanks are used to being harrassed if they take it slow, and so keep the pace high.

It doesn't help that there's often an individual who'll loudly complain about how selfish people are being if they don't run the dungeon quickly. This person may not even be in a hurry themselves, but are convinced that they need to hold up the principal or whatever, and believe they're speaking for a silent majority.

[MeiUshu]

in theory, the idea is good, in essence though, it will never work especially that rewards are the same. If they arent, and the category of dealing with cutscenes will get a higher reward but be a pain in the neck for most people there wont be any vets doing it which is the anti thesis of what DF is in terms of roulette, afterall they can do something else during the 10mn (more or less) worth of cutscenes and get more myths doing something else.

Sorry idea is good but needs some more thoughts into it, in my opinion. Besides it doesnt remove the biggest problem in there ....:SPEED RUNS.....you are only seeing one problem in roulette and more so in castrum and praetorium the second biggest problem is speed run.


Mei

[MythToken]

At the same time, I disagree with the assumption that no one would run these dungeons with the cs option. Look to any of the "Why can't I watch cutscenes?" threads that pop up from time to time, and you can see that, if anything, the folks insisting that these dungeons should be speed run are in a MINORITY. The newbies have plenty of supporters.

Sorry but this is just wrong. If you look at the forums yes it might somehow appear that way. But the fact is the "speed runners" are the majority. Otherwise the CS'sers would be able to vote against the speed runners.
Every time ive done this dungeon its only 1-3 people who want to watch cutscenes.

So I think your assumption is wrong, based on the clear facts of vote power.

That being said, both sides have legit gripes. My solution to get rid of the roulette would eliminate the speed runners, and the only people queuing for the dungeon would be CS'ers.

[MythToken]

I agree with you vaer. But lets look at this a little more logically.

A. There are TONS of CSers that are legit upset about speed runners.

B. There are not that many that care

If A. then my solution is correct and should be implemented.

If B. Then all these complaint threads and the people who are claiming that there are tons of people being affected by this "issue" is a bunch of BS. And nothing should be done.

So either we leave it be, because nothing is wrong. Or we eliminate the roulette.

See what i did there?

[Bixby]

Shameless plug. Posted a (hopefully tastefully) generic question for the live letter about the subject. Urrbody who gives a crap go vote, and maybe we'll get a tastefully generic response.

[MeiUshu]

you did something that has no head or tail.....just because you want to see it that way doesnt make it a possibility or even something doable.

Speed runs are there because of people that are busy if we take the suggestion that people dont want to go where cutscenes are mandatory that doesnt mean that those new that dont want to see cutscenes taking the first options wont have to deal with speed runer, they will deal with those and you will have vets doing this category and it will penalize those that dont want to see CS but cant YET affoard to do speed runs...


You are treating only ONE SIDE of the problem meaning CS, but with CS there is also the speedrunners and those are directly linked to CS problems that we see nowadays.

You cant call what others have experienced many and more times as being BS. you do not solve anything with your solution unless you look into the speeruner side too especially in these two story dungeons.

Just me though,

Mei