Challenge vs. reward: turn 5

[Kurai_Miu]

In 2.0 I cleared the turn 1 and 2 without many problems before I quit, shouldn't those be equivalent to turn 6 and 7 nowadays?

Not even close there are far more punishing mechanics in T6-7, turn 1 even before echo you could do it in more fun ways without the need to Feed Cad hell we did it 7 tanks 1 healer just for grins. Even with that lower dps from tanks its was a face roll. T2 Rot was something that was so simple pass at 5 sec and get off a tank, no challenge there yet somehow countless people fk it up all the time that's how enrage became a thing, such a waste of time tbh. Second coil is closer to a group effort ppl making mistakes will cause a wipe unlike t1-5 where you could recover easy. So as RickXRolled said even with the DF if you can't beat T5 with 20% echo and i100+ gear then maybe second coil isn't for you yet cause honestly all the 1 shot mechanics in t5 have been nerfed to the ground it's just face roll content now.

[Samsta]

Because it was meant to help people catch up and give them tools to clear T5.

Oh okay, doesn't really make much sense to me, in my mind reward should always be strictly tied to the challenge in instances.

[Samsta]

So as RickXRolled said even with the DF if you can't beat T5 with 20% echo and i100+ gear then maybe second coil isn't for you yet cause honestly all the 1 shot mechanics in t5 have been nerfed to the ground it's just face roll content now.

When I manage to get lucky and actually find a group for this, it is a full of first timers and many mechanics wipe the party easily still if you don't know what you are doing, echo doesn't help at all with that.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

sooooo why cant you put up a df? or get a ls/fc to help? some players do help or just run it for farm/fun. also yeah wanting to do 2nd coil with df will be worse. EVERY turn in 2nd has one shot mechanics and a lot going on. cant down t5, t6+ will be harder.

when 3rd coil released, they should just uncap echo on t5....

100% echo, im sure you can eat EVERYTHING (cept maybe twister or getting pushed into a wall from divebombs) and HOPEFULLY kill twin fast enough to skip or push phases lol

then the players who didnt beat t5 normally with 20% can be stuck in 2nd coil for months waiting for echo to build and wish for nerfs

[Samsta]

sooooo why cant you put up a df? or get a ls/fc to help?

I do not think you read my posts, you will find answers to these in those.

[SirTaint]

T5 is much less forgiving then t6-8....

7 has FU components like t5 but the DPS check is non existent you can just play super cautious and clear.

T5 and 9 also have multiple very different phases.

T6-8 have very easy to learn patterns.

[HaelseMikiro]

Seeing as you're in a small casual FC, you might have to consider what is most important to you, and find some birds-of-a-feather to flock with. Your thoughts that the only people who ever do T5 are people who haven't done it, is unfortunately a problem with visibility. You don't see them in PF or shouting so they must not exist.
If you shouted in Mor Dhona that you wanted to buy a T5 clear, you'd probably have people fighting for your attention. This goes back to asking what you want out of the game. If you just want to get a clear, see the story and move on to second coils, this is the road to take. If you want to be a part of a group that takes raiding seriously, you need to put yourself out there and find a good raiding linkshell, or be willing to part ways with your current FC, who can still be on your friends list, or share another Linkshell.

Edit:
The only threatening mechanics to worry about in T5 anymore are divebombs (run out of ditch, then back in) and twisters (focus target boss, strafe 5 yalms when casting). I feel with those 2 things in consideration T5 is rewarding people properly.

[Samsta]

Seeing as you're in a small casual FC, you might have to consider what is most important to you, and find some birds-of-a-feather to flock with.

yeah I have thought about it but I am good friends with my fc members and that is more important to me on the end than anything else so I don't want to leave them.

[Marukoban]

sooooo why cant you put up a df? or get a ls/fc to help? some players do help or just run it for farm/fun. also yeah wanting to do 2nd coil with df will be worse. EVERY turn in 2nd has one shot mechanics and a lot going on. cant down t5, t6+ will be harder.

I didn't play the Coil 1 before the echo buff, but didn't t1-4 have one-shot mechanic as well?
I think T5 is more mechanically challenging than t6-8, but the echo buff definitely helps with some of them (fireball, hatch, DS, liquid, snake adds).
The only reasons T6-8 are harder is because there is no echo buff.

In NA server, are people in DF usually newbie?
I am asking because I noticed DF in my server, PUGs are usually really good.
Even PUG in PF are very competent. Got someone in my FC pug his way in PF to T9.

[KarstenS]

The only reasons T6-8 are harder is because there is no echo buff.

Uhm. No. 6-8 is harder because you have to watch for more deadly mechanics at the same time.