Challenge vs. reward: turn 5

[Marukoban]

sooooo why cant you put up a df? or get a ls/fc to help? some players do help or just run it for farm/fun. also yeah wanting to do 2nd coil with df will be worse. EVERY turn in 2nd has one shot mechanics and a lot going on. cant down t5, t6+ will be harder.

I didn't play the Coil 1 before the echo buff, but didn't t1-4 have one-shot mechanic as well?
I think T5 is more mechanically challenging than t6-8, but the echo buff definitely helps with some of them (fireball, hatch, DS, liquid, snake adds).
The only reasons T6-8 are harder is because there is no echo buff.

In NA server, are people in DF usually newbie?
I am asking because I noticed DF in my server, PUGs are usually really good.
Even PUG in PF are very competent. Got someone in my FC pug his way in PF to T9.

[KarstenS]

The only reasons T6-8 are harder is because there is no echo buff.

Uhm. No. 6-8 is harder because you have to watch for more deadly mechanics at the same time.

[Limonia]

I know what you mean, Samsta.
I also haven't cleared T5 yet because of similar reasons.

The problem is: you can watch 10000 videos and read 10000 guides, 1) it's not the same as doing it yourself and 2) it doesn't make others watch those videos and read those guides.
In Duty Finder you often don't even get past phase 2 because no one knows what to do OR everyone has a different strategy about how to position yourself and communication doesn't seem to help.

In Party Finder there's another problem: if you manage to get a group together and it actually says TRAINING in the PF comment, people still insult you if you do something wrong and leave immediately after one or two wipes.
I mean, I'm sorry, watching videos doesn't make me do it perfectly the first time, congratulations if you are perfect, I am not.
The last time I tried it a DPS died to second divebombs and left the party immediately. Oo
Or tanks running in after one wipe while no one is ready yet.
PF isn't much better than DF.
We only had one other person that really wanted to practice. The others didn't even talk or answer to questions if they know the strategy ... well ... 3 motivated players still aren't enough for T5, even with ilvl 100 +.

[NoahG]

We only had one other person that really wanted to practice. The others didn't even talk or answer to questions if they know the strategy ... well ... 3 motivated players still aren't enough for T5, even with ilvl 100 +.

The exact same thing happens in SCOB, assuming that you clear T5 you will face the same problems in T6+, what you gotta do is try form a ls you start with those 3 people interested when the party dissolves you put up another PF and you'll probably find a 4th person interested in practicing who you invite to your ls and so on and so forth, after some time you'll end up with a solid group and possibly a static for T5+. You have to remember it took like 3 months for ppl to start beating T5 back in the day, even though it's much easier now than how it was back then it still is a challenging fight and requires a high level of commitment, keep at it and you'll do it eventually we have all been there before.

Good luck!