Challenge vs. reward: turn 5

[Limonia]

I know what you mean, Samsta.
I also haven't cleared T5 yet because of similar reasons.

The problem is: you can watch 10000 videos and read 10000 guides, 1) it's not the same as doing it yourself and 2) it doesn't make others watch those videos and read those guides.
In Duty Finder you often don't even get past phase 2 because no one knows what to do OR everyone has a different strategy about how to position yourself and communication doesn't seem to help.

In Party Finder there's another problem: if you manage to get a group together and it actually says TRAINING in the PF comment, people still insult you if you do something wrong and leave immediately after one or two wipes.
I mean, I'm sorry, watching videos doesn't make me do it perfectly the first time, congratulations if you are perfect, I am not.
The last time I tried it a DPS died to second divebombs and left the party immediately. Oo
Or tanks running in after one wipe while no one is ready yet.
PF isn't much better than DF.
We only had one other person that really wanted to practice. The others didn't even talk or answer to questions if they know the strategy ... well ... 3 motivated players still aren't enough for T5, even with ilvl 100 +.

[NoahG]

We only had one other person that really wanted to practice. The others didn't even talk or answer to questions if they know the strategy ... well ... 3 motivated players still aren't enough for T5, even with ilvl 100 +.

The exact same thing happens in SCOB, assuming that you clear T5 you will face the same problems in T6+, what you gotta do is try form a ls you start with those 3 people interested when the party dissolves you put up another PF and you'll probably find a 4th person interested in practicing who you invite to your ls and so on and so forth, after some time you'll end up with a solid group and possibly a static for T5+. You have to remember it took like 3 months for ppl to start beating T5 back in the day, even though it's much easier now than how it was back then it still is a challenging fight and requires a high level of commitment, keep at it and you'll do it eventually we have all been there before.

Good luck!

[SirTaint]

T5 is much less forgiving then t6-8....

7 has FU components like t5 but the DPS check is non existent you can just play super cautious and clear.

T5 and 9 also have multiple very different phases.

T6-8 have very easy to learn patterns.

[Alkimi]

T5 is much less forgiving then t6-8....

7 has FU components like t5 but the DPS check is non existent you can just play super cautious and clear.

If your dps is bad then the first set of adds will just overwhelm you. After that yes, there's not much of a dps check, it's all mechanics.

[KarstenS]

If your dps is bad then the first set of adds will just overwhelm you. After that yes, there's not much of a dps check, it's all mechanics.

Not completely. Last add has an enrage in which it pops out fear debuff.

[HaelseMikiro]

Seeing as you're in a small casual FC, you might have to consider what is most important to you, and find some birds-of-a-feather to flock with. Your thoughts that the only people who ever do T5 are people who haven't done it, is unfortunately a problem with visibility. You don't see them in PF or shouting so they must not exist.
If you shouted in Mor Dhona that you wanted to buy a T5 clear, you'd probably have people fighting for your attention. This goes back to asking what you want out of the game. If you just want to get a clear, see the story and move on to second coils, this is the road to take. If you want to be a part of a group that takes raiding seriously, you need to put yourself out there and find a good raiding linkshell, or be willing to part ways with your current FC, who can still be on your friends list, or share another Linkshell.

Edit:
The only threatening mechanics to worry about in T5 anymore are divebombs (run out of ditch, then back in) and twisters (focus target boss, strafe 5 yalms when casting). I feel with those 2 things in consideration T5 is rewarding people properly.

[Samsta]

Seeing as you're in a small casual FC, you might have to consider what is most important to you, and find some birds-of-a-feather to flock with.

yeah I have thought about it but I am good friends with my fc members and that is more important to me on the end than anything else so I don't want to leave them.

[LionKing]

Um...No T5 is not hard. And the reward is suitable for its challenge....If you are having problem with T5 at this point, maybe try to learn the fight and correct yourself??? People have been Solo tank - Solo Heal in T5 at the moment. So my suggestion, instead of wasting your time here to complain which is incorrect, use that time to learn and master T5. I will say this outright, unless you beat t5 with your own skill, you stand no chance in t6-8 and t9. If you are not into Coil so much, feel free to ignore my advice.

Also don't ever use DF as a measurement to gauge the challenge level of any content because it is wrong..I even have a TITAN Ex failed on me in DF at this state but it does not make TITAN Ex a challenge fight.

[Limonia]

If you are having problem with T5 at this point, maybe try to learn the fight and correct yourself???

I think the OP has the same problem - how should someone learn the fight if no one's there doing it to LEARN it?

People who still need to beat T5 are rare (or just don't do it / buy it / have a huge FC helping them).
So you'll find maybe 2 or 3 people through PF that still have to clear it and need a little bit practice. Sometimes it's enough to just see a phase for yourself to know how the guide meant it.
But if you're 4 new people and 4 people that joined to "help" but already have experience, these people will just insult you if not everything runs perfect on the first try.
So you can't LEARN it actually because everyone leaves after that.

I want to learn the phases but couldn't practice phase 4 yet. That means that the next time I'm trying it I will know the phases before but when I'm at phase 4 it's possible that I mess up because I still have to try for myself how to dodge twisters and so on. And then everyone leaves again because you only ever have one attempt according to all the perfect players that never had to learn this fight, they were just born knowing what to do. At least they act like that.