Challenge vs. reward: turn 5

[Samsta]

Hello everyone, I have been playing the game for 6 weeks now after I quit for 5 months or so, and I have recently begun to do the turn 5 of the first coil.

This fight is hard I see, much harder than any primal battle that is for sure. And I have no problems with that itself , since it was designed to be the hardest battle in the game for 2.0.

What I have a problem with is that it rewards us with ilvl90 gear and ilvl95 weapons, which in a current game are pretty crap and much easier to obtain other ways. In 2.0 it made sense, since the highest ilvl was 90, but it doesn't make sense for the current game.

I have a feeling that the echo buff doesn't really matter in this fight, and if devs want the battle to be on par with the rewards something else must be done.

Personally I would love to try second coil, but I see this as a huge blockade that doesn't really reward us any way, especially when only the people that have not completed it do it, making it almost impossible to get a group going, and I can only que through df and hope for the best.

[SirTaint]

The good news is you only need to clear it once and the reward is Coil2.

I do agree that when coil3 comes out they should add a story mode t5 so people can progress to Coil2 via an easier battle.

The problem with t5 and t9 for that matter are the one shot mechanics. Even at i250 those battles will wipe groups that aren't versed in the fight due to cheap mechanics. As the game ages there will be less and less people doing those fights as well.

[RickXRolled]

If you are struggling on turn 5 with 20% echo and higher Ilvl gear then was available in 2.0 you have no business attempting second coil anyways.

[Samsta]

If you are struggling on turn 5 with 20% echo and higher Ilvl gear then was available in 2.0 you have no business attempting second coil anyways.

The point was that the rewards for this battle are underwhelming, and I think it is not a surprise that many would struggle in a fight full of 1 shot mechanics with df group.

In 2.0 I cleared the turn 1 and 2 without many problems before I quit, shouldn't those be equivalent to turn 6 and 7 nowadays?

[RickXRolled]

The point was that the rewards for this battle are underwhelming, and I think it is not a surprise that many would struggle in a fight full of 1 shot mechanics with df group.

In 2.0 I cleared the turn 1 and 2 without many problems before I quit, shouldn't those be equivalent to turn 6 and 7 nowadays?

The rewards are perfectly fine seeing as it was designed to be done in I85-I90 without echo. Saying the rewards for turn 5 are underwhelming is like saying AK should drop I100 gear to keep up with current content

[Ellatrix]

T5 is so easy now. 20% echo along with 25 ilvl above what it was tuned at. The only 'one shot' mechanic is the handful of twisters you need to dodge. Unfortunately NA servers treat DF as the "I'm completely new to the fight and want practice" service. So no, you aren't going to clear it in DF.

In 2.0 I cleared the turn 1 and 2 without many problems before I quit, shouldn't those be equivalent to turn 6 and 7 nowadays?

No, because Coil2 is on an entirely different level. T6 is 'hard' because DF/PF dps are terrible at this game and can't, in full i110, pass dps checks we did at i90 on the first week of progression to burn T6. And if you can't pass T5, imagine this: T5 is a rock in your path, T7 is a mountain.

Levi ex drops the same ilvl weapons and in a way better ones, and that fight is a faceroll compared to turn 5 at least in my experience.

Because it was meant to help people catch up and give them tools to clear T5.

[Samsta]

The rewards are perfectly fine seeing as it was designed to be done in I85-I90 without echo. Saying the rewards for turn 5 are underwhelming is like saying AK should drop I100 gear to keep up with current content

Levi ex drops the same ilvl weapons and in a way better ones, and that fight is a faceroll compared to turn 5 at least in my experience.

[Darsho]

Make twisters and divebombs a little more forgiving (e.g. twisters doing huge damage & knockback but not one-shot) and practically the entire fight becomes much easier to get a handle on but still a challenge. Most wipes in almost every group I've been in happen there. Makes i95 a much more worthy reward and not an impossible gate for new encounters.

[Estellios]

The knockback is the worst part of twisters. One person dying isn't too bad, it's that person knocking 2-3 more into the wall that kills a run.

Twisters giving an over-the-head icon would make it a lot easier IMO.

[Samsta]

Unfortunately NA servers treat DF as the "I'm completely new to the fight and want practice" service. So no, you aren't going to clear it in DF.

It is so hard to get a party up in pf for this, I have tried but no one ever joins, I guess me being in a very small and kinda casualish fc means I will wait a long time with this.