Batraal Fight All Screwed Up.

[SHifer]

Alright, our streams are NSFW and might be offensive to some people. Oleas and I are in the same linkshell that is in these two videos. We did this before word about how to get the other chests at the end of the raid got out. The video quality is not that good but you get the idea of what is going on.

Stream 1 (Batraal fight starts at 38 minutes into the stream)
Our first win (3 CON: Shifer, Rya, Big) (2 ARC: Arrow, Ikuni) (1 THM: Len) (1 LNC: Oleas) (1 GLA: Euphoria)
http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...0-21ce950f59f7

Stream 2 (Batraal fight starts at 33 minutes into the stream)
Our second win (3 CON: Rya, Shifer, Big) (2 ARC: Arrow, Ikuni) (1 GLA: Euphoria) (1 MRD: Rapture) (1 LNC: Oleas)
http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...3-e0c7be9ab27e

Melees can do this fight just takes some effort and awareness. We're a small linkshell barely have 12 active players. If we don't run with basically these same people, we ain't doing it.

[Physic]

Alright, our streams are NSFW and might be offensive to some people. Oleas and I are in the same linkshell that is in these two videos. We did this before word about how to get the other chests at the end of the raid got out. The video quality is not that good but you get the idea of what is going on.

Stream 1 (Batraal fight starts at 38 minutes into the stream)
Our first win (3 CON: Shifer, Rya, Big) (2 ARC: Arrow, Ikuni) (1 THM: Len) (1 LNC: Oleas) (1 GLA: Euphoria)
http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...0-21ce950f59f7

Stream 2 (Batraal fight starts at 33 minutes into the stream)
Our second win (3 CON: Rya, Shifer, Big) (2 ARC: Arrow, Ikuni) (1 GLA: Euphoria) (1 MRD: Rapture) (1 LNC: Oleas)
http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...3-e0c7be9ab27e

Melees can do this fight just takes some effort and awareness. We're a small linkshell barely have 12 active players. If we don't run with basically these same people, we ain't doing it.

3 con 2 arc 1 gla? what exactly are the other two jobs doing that the you couldnt have replaced con arc or gla and done it easier? also, im pretty sure 3 con 2 arc and 1 gla could beat this dungeon without pug or lnc if they had an option to go in with 6 players.

[SHifer]

Yeah, I suppose they could be replaced with ARC or CON. You're missing the point though, this is showing that you can be in this fight as a melee. Furthermore, as I said, we are a small linkshell. Not everyone has 2-5 R50's. For the flexibility to do that. If we don't run with this setup, we simply aren't going to be able to enter.

[viion]

Many of the most damaging AoE attacks have a specific area that is affected, so by standing to the side or behind an enemy you can avoid the attack. I believe there is still some room for adding a bit more strategy to this, so let us monitor the situation for a bit before we decide how to address it.

you forgot to mention this does not work, once readied you could be in another zone and still get hit, crappy design,

[Nel_Celestine]

soon as something is "Readied" you could start running and it will still hit you regardless. The only thing that matters is where you are WHEN it says "Readies X Skill"

[Physic]

Yeah, I suppose they could be replaced with ARC or CON. You're missing the point though, this is showing that you can be in this fight as a melee. Furthermore, as I said, we are a small linkshell. Not everyone has 2-5 R50's. For the flexibility to do that. If we don't run with this setup, we simply aren't going to be able to enter.

well i dont think the issue is it cant be done, its just harder and more risky for a melee, with no increase in effeciency for that risk.
Sure melee can dodge most attacks, but it requires them to pay more attention, and they are more likely to take a bigger hit when they mess up, whereas a rnged fighter, has an easier time, and does the same or more dmg.

The problem is not that it is impossible, its that no one has any real benefit in doing it.

[DantesAmore]

Batraal fight is very simple he is easier then the orge the only issue we have EVER had is D/C's... other then that we can get him to 5-20% hp every fight... he dies fast, he hits lighter then the orge. complain about the orge ok i get that. but Batraal? lol only complaint is Disconnects ...


i havent disconnected the tank or the prime mage seems to always be the one to D/C like SE waits for it lol

[Murda]

O, I get it thank you. What if we do all those things and still it's not enough? I think everybody has a self cure, we have tp constraint up constantly, yes I use featherfoot for boss' aoe. I will admit I was wondering if Barbaric Yelp would work, and you realize you're being hit by 2-3 ghosts + the boss itself right? And I'm talking about ghost placement not the bosses aoe, a stoneskin isn't going to help.

lol we do this with melee all the time, you would literally have to go out of your way to get hit by 2 or 3 ghosts they are easy to avoid if you actually pay attention. Sentinel Rampart Tempered will, ghost aoe dmg is Minimal with any of these up. if you wanna be gimp and only lvl one melee job least you can do is lvl other jobs high enough to get useful actions. it is the kinda game were u can customize any job to be versatile. but hey, if you want to lvl only marauder and be "that guy" thats your problem. our lancer has no problem keeping himself alive and staying in the ghost entire time

[Misha]

Show you what exactly, how to play a melee?

1. Equip Self cures
2. Position yourself properly so you only get hit by what you cannot possibly avoid.
3. Lower mob TP so they don't spam AOE
4. Interrupt/Stun what AOE you can
5. Have mages casting stoneskin
6. Joust

This is not an FFXIV melee problem, it is an MMO melee problem. To play a melee in an MMO you should know these things.

Exactly... too bad people just wanna spam attacks and not think 1 bit, nor keep to the side or backside of mobs >.< Mages should be spamming stoneskin regardless as it cuts mp consumption WAY down. Also doesn't hurt for melee's to sue a single cure on themselves (And/or plus second wind) when they get Aoe'd. Not to mention 3 & 4 are laughably easy to do in the 45 dungeon xD I'm just glad they aren't giving into the lazy whiners :P

[SniperRifle]

The ranged attack boss/mobs are getting a little ridic now and prob should be fixed, hopefully, before the end of the year. Seems like evvvvverything has some ranged/conal/aoe attack. Not that I can't bypass it, but now that we have some class diversity, why not make the mobs a little more diverse to emphasis the class diversity... Arrows to less dmg, magic dmg is halved... Boss/Mob doesn't AoE spam. But whatever, in due time. This is the first big patch of many...

Yoshi said he was a EQ player so maybe thats where his old school boss fight came from (idk i never played EQ). And like many people have said before; you're allowed to level every class to the cap to benefit your main class, by not doing so you will have a tougher time taking on content than those who do have everything leveled up. It's the players choice.