Batraal Fight All Screwed Up.

[Griss]

batraal has exactly1 full aoe move, Grim halo. If your getting hit by his other two moves as a non tanking melee you are doing it wrong. If it was not for the other wrinkles in the fight he would be such a push over it would be a total joke.

The following video holds all the secrets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e

[Grim_Lion]

A similar discussion popped up recently on the Japanese forum, and so Mocchi brought it up with Matsui to get his feedback on the situation and see what changes are being considered.

• Front line damage dealers
  We will be making adjustments to some of the actions for pugilists, marauders, and lancers which will add a bit more damage. We're currently in the process of performing post-adjustment balance checks.
• Monster AoE attacks
  Many of the most damaging AoE attacks have a specific area that is affected, so by standing to the side or behind an enemy you can avoid the attack. I believe there is still some room for adding a bit more strategy to this, so let us monitor the situation for a bit before we decide how to address it.

With that said, we will be making adjustments to both classes and monsters in regards to these things.

Please dont makes changes based on players with zero, to very very little skill.

If you find that adjustments are necessary when tested again, fine, but in no way should this game be catered for the person who is not willing to take the time needed to have a full understanding of their role, the strategies, and the skills they can provide and bring to an encounter. This is not a button mashing game.

Edit: This coming from a Marauder.

[Nel_Celestine]

If your a MRD then you should understand at least that the Damage vs. Delay on our Weapons isn't worth it. But that's another topic altogether.

[Grim_Lion]

If your a MRD then you should understand at least that the Damage vs. Delay on our Weapons isn't worth it. But that's another topic altogether.

Thats a different topic.

But I can Invigortate, throw a couple axes, boost damage skills, Maim, in order to help the archers with an exposed side. Certainly I can't sit there and hit full time on Batraal (my main job is the Skeles and circles anyways), but there is other ways to charge TP from range. Skull sunder is only 500 TP and helps too.

The big thing people are forgetting is contrast. There isnt any other encounters to relate to ingame right now, so some people think that MRD is broken. Well, just wait until more encounters get add to the game, ones where a MRD/LNC/PUG might excel at. Maybe an encounter that utilizes the functions of MRD skills like Iron Tempest (min range:3m, max range:15m) to its fullest extent along with the MRD other superior AoE tanking skills. May also be why Canopus Bill has tanking stats.

Long story short, this is only one encounter, there will be many more, hopefully hundreds.

Anyways, Im not saying dont change things. I saying please dont take the skill or difficulty out of the game.

[Nel_Celestine]

While i can agree we need contrast, having to wait until the NEXT dungeon comes out which could be months is a bit much to ask for something that /may/ or /may not/ be good for MRD. I have nothing against other classes and I know people will always take the "easy" mode if offered the choice but still, sitting out on the sidelines because people want Archers over MRD for Ogre and this really is disheartening.

[ClashBlades]

I think people are misunderstanding the point. It is not to say that the dungeon cannot be completed by melee. It is to say that archers have a huge advantage and are clearly more sought after for this kind of play. Of course it can be completed on melee, but why would people take melees when they can have it nice and easy taking in archers. List the advantages and disadvantages of melees and then do the same for archers. You will find that one list is much longer than the other. No damage taken, more damage output due to more time on the mobs, Archers more easily grab the Batraal adds due to range, they can accomplice healers and chameleon it off very frequently, they can battle regiment every few seconds due to light shot not being on a 30 second cooldown (which causes phys. def. to go down making a faster kill), they can get locked into battle regiments without having to worry about nearby hazards. There are many things that make the archer better in this dungeon. The list for melees goes like this: They have more health. yep.

Nobody is saying that it can't be done on melees. The simple truth is that these fights favor archers and the majority of people will be looking for a setup that gives them the best chance of success.

[DarthTaru]

Well that's the story of all MMO fights. I don't really remember a lot of Warriors and Monk's complaining about BLM & SMN burns on Tiamat.
Anyway, the dungeon has been beaten with a whole lot of variations in party set ups. People are winning without archers and wiping with them. Ultimately it comes down to execution, ability and teamwork.

[Teknoman]

At least they gave every melee class something feasible to throw in FFXIV. But it must be too disgraceful for melees to throw things at the enemies, because I hardly see anyone with that ranged slot filled.

I throw knives all day, every day. Helps to build TP while your attacks are recharging/inbetween auto attacks. Also more people need to start using potions during battle.

Oh and as far as battle regimens go, I wouldnt really bother with them until they complete the battle regimen overhaul.

[Ratm3000]

You can beat it without Archers...my linkshell takes MRDs/LNCs/PGLs at times. I don't know why everyone has to start complaining right away about not being able to beat it with certain classes, you just have to work out different tactics. People just watch videos online and see people do it mostly with Archers so think that the same strategy would work on different classes.

[Ratm3000]

I throw knives all day, every day. Helps to build TP while your attacks are recharging/inbetween auto attacks. Also more people need to start using potions during battle.

Oh and as far as battle regimens go, I wouldnt really bother with them until they complete the battle regimen overhaul.

I would bother with Battle Regimens...they are not broken. You just have to know how to work with it. Its also the way you stack it that makes it go faster.