An Open-World PvP Zone or Two

[Nalien]

If they were going to add a system where one GC gets a bonus over the others, most likely they'd just copy/paste what they did with XI and make it so whatever GC has done more FATEs/Leves/etc in that zone, gets a bonus while in that zone.

Would also be nice. This game completely lacks real competition, sad so many people seem to deathly allergic to it... My suggestion earlier was literally just a closed off open world zone that PvEers could easily just not go in, but apparently I'm just a griefer who want's to dance on their corpse... Literally all I want is content that doesn't dangle a carrot in your face that needs to be replaced each patch, I just want content which takes a carrot and passes it around factions so players can dangle it in each others face. You'd think the developers would jump at the chance to release content that lasts, instead of having to replace it every patch...

It is a valid argument as the lore for frontlines makes no sense. It was wedged in a half-arsed way. It only makes sense if you're trying, desperately, to justify a battleground between factions. Nothing against frontlines mind you, but lore is a perfectly valid complaint.

Omega Weapon is buried beneath the Flats and in order to prevent anyone (or a specific someone) from getting their hands on it, they turn the area into a battlefield and have Adventurers fight instead of their own troops to keep their alliance in tact (and also because we're undying and blood thirsty) and allow their forces to focus on other matters. Seems fairly logical to me... Or would it make more sense to hand over the region to a fledgling organization that doesn't have the numbers to secure the site?

[Teryaani]

Omega Weapon is buried beneath the Flats and in order to prevent anyone (or a specific someone) from getting their hands on it, they turn the area into a battlefield and have Adventurers fight instead of their own troops to keep their alliance in tact (and also because we're undying and blood thirsty) and allow their forces to focus on other matters. Seems fairly logical to me... Or would it make more sense to hand over the region to a fledgling organization that doesn't have the numbers to secure the site?

So they turn the flats into a free-for-all proxy war? Oh yeah. that makes perfect sense. If the alliance has an objective (prevent a rogue element from capturing omega), why wouldn't they do a joint strike ala what was done with the attack on castrum? Oh, that's right, because it wouldn't justify turning the area into a pvp instance.

Look, I'm glad the battleground is there. Out of sight and all that, but the lore doesn't make sense.

[DarkStar]

So they turn the flats into a free-for-all proxy war? Oh yeah. that makes perfect sense. If the alliance has an objective (prevent a rogue element from capturing omega), why wouldn't they do a joint strike ala what was done with the attack on castrum? Oh, that's right, because it wouldn't justify turning the area into a pvp instance.

Look, I'm glad the battleground is there. Out of sight and all that, but the lore doesn't make sense.

What makes it especially irritating is that it's not even a rogue GROUP. It's a single person, but is apparently absolutely untouchable by the law, let alone by adventurers. The whole premise behind the Cartenau Flats being made into a PVP battleground just stinks to high-heaven of lack-of-effort. Sorta like a majority of the rest of the game's content...

[Nalien]

So they turn the flats into a free-for-all proxy war? Oh yeah. that makes perfect sense. If the alliance has an objective (prevent a rogue element from capturing omega), why wouldn't they do a joint strike ala what was done with the attack on castrum?

Might have something to do with the fact that their resources are stretched thin monitoring the Garleans and fighting off Beast tribes. The attack on Praetorium was to stop Ultima Weapon, which was already up and functioning. Omega Weapon is not functioning, it does not require the same response, especially if directly responding to it would leave them open to attack from elsewhere. Quelling a potential threat does not require the same response that replying to an ultimatum did...

Also, that rogue element is within their own ranks, well Ul'dahs. That's another reason we're fighting and not their troops, who could be persuaded into furthering one mans goals. The only Grand Company I'd trust with it is Twin Adders (pirates be pirates), but they're busy watching the Garleans front door.

There's also that tiny little aspect you may have missed if you haven't done Frontlines, but the ruins are partly active. You may as well be asking why Adventurers are taking on Crystal Tower or The Binding Coil; Why don't the Grand Companies just send their armies in there?

Allow me to point out the griefer in your midst. This type of player right here Nalien, is why wPvP should not happen in this game. This is what will alienate even receptive PVE players.

And if you'd actually read what I'm suggesting, you'd know you wouldn't have to deal with such people in the slightest. /shrugs

[Teryaani]

Might have something to do with the fact that their resources are stretched thin monitoring the Garleans and fighting off Beast tribes. The attack on Praetorium was to stop Ultima Weapon, which was already up and functioning. Omega Weapon is not functioning, it does not require the same response, especially if directly responding to it would leave them open to attack from elsewhere. Quelling a potential threat does not require the same response that replying to an ultimatum did...
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Then you handle it as a story quest with a full party duty. They send us to do their dirty work all the time. Having an equally scarce resource (competent adventurers) killing each other over a barren pile of rock makes no sense.

[Teryaani]

And if you'd actually read what I'm suggesting, you'd know you wouldn't have to deal with such people in the slightest. /shrugs

I am reading what you're suggesting and some I agree with. For instance, dueling? I want to see them implement that in a grief-free way (no duel challenge spamming). A free for all arena sort of thing? If they put controls around it, It wouldn't bother me.

What does bother me is the very real possibility that they wouldn't put controls around it. Griefers are grand masters of finding ways to piss other people off and the notion that there was a possibly of having to tolerate being griefed for an entire patch pisses me off.

I want them to put pvp content in in the same way I want the raids in. It gives variety even if I never use it. I just don't want it to spill over because someone else decides to be an arse.

[LTEvil]

LOL sounds like a legit suggestion 10/10 I am entertained.
I would be fine with it personally, the responses from all the carebears just made me laugh though.
You will be hard pressed to get up enough support with this playerbase, they enjoy their crappy combat and simplistic class/jobs.(didnt think it could get more basic than WoW but damn I was wrong). So i'd just settle in honestly, seems pvp games dont tend to be very popular now a days anyway, shame really humanity is so good at killing each other too. Oh well. But hey in other news they gave us FL so we can toy with that. Maybe theyll let us suggest a battleground that isnt a zerg shit hole but will have PvE elements so even the carebears can possible win just like in FL. Thinking along the lines of Aion with it's instanced dungeon but there was more than just one party in the dungeon trying to complete objectives to complete it.

RDM PLEASE ALREADY

[Teryaani]

the responses from all the carebears just made me laugh though.

Allow me to point out the griefer in your midst. This type of player right here Nalien, is why wPvP should not happen in this game. This is what will alienate even receptive PVE players.

[LTEvil]

Allow me to point out the griefer in your midst. This type of player right here Nalien, is why wPvP should not happen in this game. This is what will alienate even receptive PVE players.

You need to learn to read, his thought wouldnt allow for griefing. You are one of the carebears I am talking about. You are simply scared of the term PVP, you have no idea what he is trying to do with it or anything. Reread the posts then comment creatively, dont make excuses before its even in the game as to why "you" wouldnt want to do it then call it a reason it shouldnt be in the game.

Btw Optional? Foreign terms in an MMO amirite?

[Teryaani]

You need to learn to read, his thought wouldnt allow for griefing. You are one of the carebears I am talking about. You are simply scared of the term PVP, you have no idea what he is trying to do with it or anything. Reread the posts then comment creatively, dont make excuses before its even in the game as to why "you" wouldnt want to do it then call it a reason it shouldnt be in the game.

Btw Optional? Foreign terms in an MMO amirite?

Nice try, but no. I played WoW long enough to know that "optional" wpvp never is.