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    Urielparadox's Avatar
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    I never heard one person. Who did over 1k fates for their first 12 atmas, say it's fine. I have heard countless people call us liars and lazy because it took us over 1k fates to get all 12. Not really sure how that makes us lazy. Nor are we liars. Once you watch someone complete 3 atma weapons in less fates then it takes other people to get just 1, please explain to me how this system rewards anything at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urielparadox View Post
    I never heard one person. Who did over 1k fates for their first 12 atmas, say it's fine. I have heard countless people call us liars and lazy because it took us over 1k fates to get all 12. Not really sure how that makes us lazy. Nor are we liars. Once you watch someone complete 3 atma weapons in less fates then it takes other people to get just 1, please explain to me how this system rewards anything at all?
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    I think it's time...

    Reduce that wall please.
    Not before 2.4 ~ 100%
    Not before 2.5 ~ 75%
    Not beore 3.0 ~ 50%
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    Polyhedral Dice
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    the atmas,
    they do nothing anyway.
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    This could be fixed by not needing a Zenith weapon equipped. You could roam fates leveling a different lowbie job and have the RNG fate machine still work. At least then you are making progress in something, and when you get a drop, it's a nice bonus to the grind.


    I'm a genius.
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    Denarius Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggnook24 View Post
    This could be fixed by not needing a Zenith weapon equipped. You could roam fates leveling a different lowbie job and have the RNG fate machine still work. At least then you are making progress in something, and when you get a drop, it's a nice bonus to the grind.


    I'm a genius.
    I've suggested this before, as im sure many people of suggested this idea. Just let us not have the weapon equipped so we can grind alts atleast why waiting for the .001% chance for drop... come on SE, throw us a bone here
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    This is my 4th day in East Shroud and no drop.....!!!

    I have 7 atmas so far tho

    please increase the drop rate or guide us for a good method other than the "Japan theory"
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    Haken Browning
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    Midgardsormr
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    Can we stop pretending that the entire Atma through Nexus transition is some valued grind that should be enshrined and preserved? It's a content mess designed to force players back into content that otherwise has no value to them anymore because SE was too lazy or creative to actually provide a real incentive to revisit any of it. Maybe I could forgive SE for the whole thing if their goal of trying to get more people to do content they would otherwise have no interest in doing wasn't so transparent. The whole system should get torn down and replaced with content that actually corresponds to the 2.0 relic questline as soon as possible, either in 2.5 or 3.0 as SE prepares to make way for the transition into a new phase of content.

    Just substitute the original HM primals with the new trinity (Leviathan EX, Ramuh EX, Shiva EX, hell throw in Moggle Mog EX for all I care). Then create two new trials to either precede or come after the EX primals (Chimera and Hydra equivalent) and if you really feel the need throw in some random dungeon as well. From the beginning the relic questline should be pushing you to elevated content, NOT forcing you to regress.

    To keep continuity allow people who have already completed their final relic upgrade stage to just trade it in for the next corresponding weapon without having to go through any extra fluff (IE people with the last stage which comes after Novus just get to skip a few steps ahead of people who did not achieve that level of progression). No sense in making them go through any extra ****.
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    Yoso Carrasco
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    Hyperion
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    It should be changed because they were supposed to appease casuals but never were casual-friendly. Soldiery weapons are very easy to get up to 110 in 3 weeks playing several hours each week when the same amount of time would get most people barely started on the atma books.

    Not to mention getting a soldiery weapon means you are doing content that is relevant and rewarding outside of the weapon.
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    Last edited by Estellios; 09-25-2014 at 03:10 PM.

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    Helios Etoilefilante
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    Leviathan
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Time for speculation on this past but if I could have them redo it it would be like this:
    Atmas drop from last boss of a dungeon. Not chest, from boss. Everyone with relic zenith gets one. Now here's the kicker. The way atmas are divided into regions we keep but it is to a city-states' dungeons. So all of, say, Gridania's dungeons will give one of the atma from that region but never double of the same to one person. So if you got water bearer in last dungeon you'd get a different one this run. Rinse and repeat in each city-state until you have the twelve you need then do it again for next. Sorta like getting relic to relic zenith you can only do one relic at a time but you get a guaranteed drop and people stay for dungeons.
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    Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge, but time and chance happen to them all.

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