Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Scootaloo]

And that's all I'm going to say along this matter...

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[Exstal]

My opinion didn't reflect everyone else's.

Although hiding behind the facade that you're an intellectual is a good way to discredit yourself.

I would argue that Absolute virtue from FFXI was a much more difficult boss. It was immortal until you found its weakness; and no one did for several years. The few times it was actually downed involved cheating. SE refused to acknowledge these attempts as victories and banned the offenders.

Wasn't he also impossible pre-nerf? Even with the weakness known?

[Scootaloo]

Although hiding behind the facade that you're an intellectual is a good way to discredit yourself.

*raises finger to type a reply but halts* Actually, your not worth the keystrokes to even bother to defend myself to. So congratulations, you won an argument over the Internet.

Pat yourself on the back and be sure to move out of your mother's basement next year.

Also, feel free to make any witty remarks about "she's just butthurt" or whatever now because I'm officially in "I don't give a buck" mode. I tried to make a thread about a mature debate...starts out well and then every white knight except the paladin three threads down charges in to defend their "Favorite" game.... or are they defending the devs? Oh whatever, point is, I'm done caring about this thread.

Scootaloo you make good points, and you've said nothing wrong, the only thing you did wrong was decide to try and post feedback on these forums

I would suggest just avoiding posting on the forums for a while, see if the atmosphere changes, but chances are they won't, and it's just not worth the trouble.

Advise taken pal, should have listened to you 10 pages ago but silly me, I thought people on the Internet could see reason and facts about the game, be polite and intelligent in discussing said facts and not attempt to point out every obvious detail that has nothing to do with what I pointed out but nope I once again put too much faith in a forum populated mostly by WoW babies.(Seriously, take a look at the last 3 pages, all those people who were saying"I couldn't see the differences and am just being blind to them on purpose" were discussing WoW like this was a WoW forum or something.)

(But since people are so fond of derailing this thread with WoW chatter, let me give you a brief history of myself in WoW!)

Still find it hilarious when someone calls WoW raid bosses challenging. Though then again, I was a level 80 DK with end game epic armor and weapons so maybe they were just easy for me because of that?...*thinks on this for less than 3 seconds* Nope! Raid bosses were just easy mode, that's all. I mean when I can run hero mode solo on my DK, idk about you but that screams easy mode. Oh and lets not forget the whole "prince arthus" once they finally added him. Beat him in 10 mins flat with a single party. Most. Pathetic. Raid. Boss. Ever.

Oh and feel free to say "that's BS!" all you want, it's not your fault that you can't hack a game that's already easy mode to begin with.

But yeah, shortly after that I dropped the game like a bad smoking habit because it just didn't challenge me at all. Nothing more than a hotkey mash fest.


tl;dr: I've given up on this thread and don't give a flying crap what people think. Got sick and tired of attempting to make a point only for about 4-5 people to get it while the rest simply bashed me right and left or ignored every point I made and pointed out the obvious which gave their debate no leverage yet they think it did.

As a final note for my last post in this thread, for those of you who did see the points I made or at the very least understood what I was trying to say, you have my gratitude but save your breath when debating this topic, most players in this forum come from WoW and while I know not all WoW players are whining little babies who want easy-mode everything, it seems the ones that do, populate these forums and will do anything to bash the first person who could possibly threaten FFXIV's current easy-mode status by bringing things to light that they don't want see by the devs.

[Sapphic]

I tried to make a thread about a mature debate...starts out well and then every white knight except the paladin three threads down charges in to defend their "Favorite" game.... or are they defending the devs? Oh whatever, point is, I'm done caring about this thread.

You didn't want a debate, as a debate has counters for and against the notion. You just wanted everyone to agree with you. But, seeing as the majority don't you decide to throw a childish tantrum and resort to insults. As this post I quoted (albeit snipped) highlights more glaringly than the Nexus glow.

Just because you cannot see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, neither does the fact that others can see things you don't does not make them wrong either.

So, if you want to debate, grow up and learn to take counter-arguments, then come back.

And to counter your whines, my main MMOs prior to FFXIV were EQ1, SWG (pre CU), and DaoC.