Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Dwill]

Honestly? Not even a little bit. That piece of gear would take years to obtain. 6 mo to level your first job was pretty typical. Most people wouldn't have full Homam (for example) until years after when they started. Or Byakko's Haidate until they have been farming sky for months. The piece of gear was something you were proud of, something you built your gearset around. When next coil comes around, HA will have been BIS for what? 6 months? And you will be able to get gear better than it from whatever new tomes they release. One of these systems sounds rewarding to me, the other is like a cat chasing a mouse on a string.

We were giving Haidate left and right in our LS because we farmed Sky so much(to which you could also buy trigger making the farming an irrelevant issue). All of the main core of the LS had their jailers' necklace so they were given to alt.
You could buy the Osode which was BiS for Weapon Skills. For Samurai, a lot of the BiS for auto-attacks had to be be bought (Hagun, Haubergeon +1, Grip, O.Kote, Kyahan, Forager Mantle) and one of the BiS ring was the CoP ring could be obtained in not too long, same deal with Zilart earrings.

It didn't take that long to gear if you were in a decent LS and a similar system in this game will more than likely yield similar results.

Is that all you remember from XI. You don't remember organising skill chains and magic bursts? Setting up SATAs, BRD maintaining 4 or 5 song rotations? Samurais and Blue Magics Self-SC'ing? The list can go on and on. It sounds like you're pretty jaded about XI.

Distortion or Light were the only two really used in endgame. Main strategy in endgame for forever was throw as many Samurais as you can for melees at boss with them being in 6-hit setup to chain WS left and right while buffing them to oblivion with Bards. If you were a two-handed users and you were not a samurai, you would have to/sam for Hasso which lefts you with zero "uniqueness" in term of subjob.

>_> Just going to say, I was pup forever. I still got invited to stuff without a problem lol That's what was great about XI and older mmos, if you knew people, you got stuff done. None of this "solo 90% of the game" crap we have now in mmos. Even better is that if you were good at your job, people knew it (since no cross server instance stuff), which increased your chances of being invited even more

Also >_> For anyone who brings up the argument on "waiting hours" for a party. Usually you can solve that by just making your own. Just saying lol

Yeah, making your own party with people dropping from it once they discovered you were a pup or it would take forever because you'd go anon while recruiting so people wouldn't see that you were a PUP. I knew quite a few people to which that happened during ToAU. And if you were good at your job, you were good at the most optimal one which is what people wanted. People in FFXI were mostly elitists in endgame and no one would let you PUP anything relevant so yeah, good job, you could merit as PUP but do nothing else worthwhile.

[Obysuca]

Yeah, making your own party with people dropping from it once they discovered you were a pup or it would take forever because you'd go anon while recruiting so people wouldn't see that you were a PUP. I knew quite a few people to which that happened during ToAU. And if you were good at your job, you were good at the most optimal one which is what people wanted. People in FFXI were mostly elitists in endgame and no one would let you PUP anything relevant so yeah, good job, you could merit as PUP but do nothing else worthwhile.

o.O Idk on your server, but people didn't drop if they found out you're pup and I never had to go /anon for it.
I also did plenty of endgame as pup, I even had people ask me to come that over sam and such, which were about the same geared as my pup.

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

[Hurlstone]

Hmm... I left FFXI in around 2007-ish, mostly because of several things. The lack of solo based activities and the fact that I found the game boring to level (Find a group, find a camp, kill monsters for hours on end... give me quests any day!) where the main reasons, but another was the attitude of many players in regards to class. There were certain classes in which you found very hard to find parties, such as PUP (Which I adored, yet never really got to play much...) and others. Elitism and rude players were entities that I had experienced well before the likes of Dungeon/Duty Finder. I also really didn't like how you had to have a certain sub-class. It was a great system, with lots of room for experimentation, but when it came to leveling and stuff there was no way you could play other then what was assumed to be the 'best' no matter how good you were.

I missed being a RDM/NIN...

Anyway, that is just my experience. I am sure other have indeed had better luck and stuff. Perhaps it was just my server (Ragnarok, if I recall... name was Fred!) but looking back on it, I really do not hold it in such high regards as other former players do. As I said though, could just be me... I hear FFXI has changed a lot since the though. I must check it out again some day...

(Oh, and if every job in this game is the same, then why on Eorzea do I adore playing Summoner and hate playing Black Mage...)

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

Gonna be frank here, this sounds a LOT like "blaming the victim". I rarely encountered the XIV elitists when I was working my way through first Coil, but when a friend of mine joined on my recommendation he faced abuse and even kicks because of his lower-level gear (all of which was a) job-appropriate and b) gave him an average ilvl of above the dungeon's requirements). I would not be justified in saying that he was "not social" or "a jerk" or "just not good at XIV", I was simply lucky enough not to have to deal with such people.

[Dwill]

o.O Idk on your server, but people didn't drop if they found out you're pup and I never had to go /anon for it.
I also did plenty of endgame as pup, I even had people ask me to come that over sam and such, which were about the same geared as my pup.

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

Yeah, I did endgame from Zilart to mid-wings of the goddess at the highest possible (3 digits is not enough to count the amount of time I killed the Sky gods, jailers, Jimmy and Timmy and the 3 Kings)level so it wasn't the lack of skill. PUP was unwanted at the highest level of play because it was terrible compared to a well played "insert any other melees here" and that's not an opinion, that's a fact. A well-played 6-hit Samurai would trash any PUP, no matter how good you or your friend thought you were. The endgame scene was a dramafest of elitism on any server that wasn't horrible. If you didn't meet any elitists, you were not playing at a high enough level of endgame.